MYM - Time to let -apxl go? by Drayich

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18th September 2008, 22:30

Time to let -apxl go? by Drayich

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Mouz Leader Sweden Drayich wrote a whole new proposition about how the gamemode in league matches should look like. The gamemode -apxl has been around for a very long time but he thinks that it has only gotten worse since it was brought in. The bans and picks take almost about a half an hour nowadays and we lose time, patience and spectators due that.

His new wish is to set up the mode -rd for all league matches and also wanted 1 ban from each team to remove that special warder, ganger, supporter or carrier out of the game. The pools could be unbalanced but he says that due to the lack of time, the teams will end up balanced.

this would be an end to the main strategies but at the same time something new, and teams might adjust to the mode as they do with each new league map version.

"I remember when AP was used as the main mode of DotA. The picks where somewhat the same, even if T_T did do some different things with their globalstrat. Then someone came up with the idea of APXL, the mode where you are allowed to ban enemy heroes, and this was a huge sucess. From that moment its pretty much downwards.

The picking phase of an highlevel APXL game is really interesting for some people, and really tired some for others. I guess we are 'wasting' at least 30 minutes each game just for the picks - this isnt making the game attractive for me as a family man - for the spectators - and for the players."

Source: Gosugamers

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Comments (79)

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(2 months ago) #1 Noobriflemen

t-up

(2 months ago) #2 GenoZStriker

Ok, good luck with that. Enjoy playing dota? Check out Demigod at "Demigodthegame.com

(2 months ago) #3 Xana-

[x] Agree Best side of life? - Suic's Side

(2 months ago) #4 [Aut]Fachjargon

50:50 i think both ideas are great... maybe change? dunno =/

(2 months ago) #5 NsHHaSuSkiLL

agree also

(2 months ago) #6 [Aut]Fachjargon

hmm why not just use a bot or smthng like that to ban/pick the heros. (or a program) u got 30 secs to ban a hero, und 1 mins to pick one, then it wouldnt take that long and the captains have to think about their possible strategies really fast. it is like rd, but with the normal heropool, and every team can then play the strategy/heros they trained/want to play... so u wouldnt have the "random"-factor.

(2 months ago) #7 MYM\|Maelk

Let's not give a crap about balancing.

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(2 months ago) #8 slahser

Like the outcome matters...

(2 months ago) #17 Heldarion

lol indeed

(2 months ago) #41 Jabberwock

more than any other election outside your borders.

(2 months ago) #44 Metzenition

Ignorance is a bliss. :) Oh and to clarify, it doesn't matter. Now back to topic. Last edited by zenition at 19.09.2008, 11:42

(2 months ago) #9 CoAS0th

rofl

(2 months ago) #10 GAMaliSunSet

Well i have to agree with Drayich, Argh League use this Rd system and it is really nice to play it. People are there to enjoy the game and not to discuss about pick/ban tha tis important in the major tournaments >_< Good Luck with this idea. I <3 MYM

(2 months ago) #11 LookMonk-

totally agree Drayich!!!!!!!!!!!

(2 months ago) #12 uNicUm

what a bunch of bs. just put a timelimit on the picks and u wouldnt have that big prob.. and if ap u would just get a bunch of inbalanced stuff gg

(2 months ago) #13 Oompa

I'm afraid I entirely disagree. If you want to put like a 2 minute time limit per picks bans that's seems fine. I really do not like the idea of the whole random pool as it may make for some painfully stupid games. My first thought here is saying a match of pubstar heroes facing off. Not to mention first and second picks can decide matches in RD. <3 Drayich </3 this idea.

(2 months ago) #16 SWEDrayich

First and secondpick can decide matches in RD
First and secondpick can decide matches in APXL

With 1 ban from each team you can make them not decide them, and thats why 1 ban is needed. (thats also written in the article)

The randompool would just make the games more interesting as i belive, i know for a fact for exampel if Merlini playing (last game vs Rush3D, i cant even bremember the name of the hero) everyone was superexited

Or when Loda picks this or that, and someone else plays something else. Thats also why i think it would make a hell lot more sense to have the pool randomized. But the suggestion for me is not the key, the change is.

(2 months ago) #25 RAAMZES

11/10 totaly agree!!!

(2 months ago) #36 xthiaN_

I was thinking apxl but the team who gets the most kills in 35 min wins the match that would be awesome for spectators and big tournaments d^-^P

(2 months ago) #67 Oompa

APXL first and second pick decide games based on the way the two teams draft. RD would be based on randomization. I'd be okay with a change I just don't think this is the particular one that should be implemented. I do understand what you're saying however. Though really the only reason Invoker was so exciting is because he'd never been played before in the league format. Personally I think just give each team like 7 minutes overall pick time and 3 minutes overall ban time. Although I'm not a huge fan of the actually suggestion I do like the discussion it has sparked. So +1 to these types of articles :P.

(2 months ago) #14 EEDZeeDra

#13 has a point tbh. Pools can varry a lot and the "luck" factor is quite big. Maybe add some heroes to the random draft pool?> Last edited by ZeeDra at 19.09.2008, 00:31

(2 months ago) #15 dotch

i dont really agree, but you guys could give it a try, maybe use it in some games or in a small tourney or in something like that king of the hill stuff which is full of random anyway.

(2 months ago) #18 EESTIPuppy

lol

(2 months ago) #19 Heldarion

-RD would definitely liven up the scene a bit, but I like the -apxl all the same

(2 months ago) #23 RAAMZES

+1

(2 months ago) #20 BioXareQuiNOX-

would like to try this kind of mode with one ban and rd (and no pauses while picking) so you only have 30 secs to think of ur possibileties. I think it would crave some intellegent and fasthinking ppl to pick and it will make ´the picking really fun and exiting for the team and the viewers. thumbs up! chill4skill Chill4Skill

(2 months ago) #21 GenoZStriker

I guess this calls for another Mockdraft? Pick a few teams including Mouseport, make the rules based upon what D wrote in his article and then what is left is to try it out. Stream the game, maybe a shoutcast and just let the community know. Last edited by GenoZStriker at 19.09.2008, 01:10 Enjoy playing dota? Check out Demigod at "Demigodthegame.com

(2 months ago) #22 SaCRe)Kaka-

-rd would make it more fun and I don't think that the random pool would make it unbalanced at all, but gives some of the not viable heroes a little bit of game time. Maybe need some testing first to know for sure.

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Btw, about reducing picking time, why not type -xl in game? Wouldn't that make each player given a 30(20?) seconds time limit to pick, kinda like -rd? Why exactly are we using -ap in game?

(2 months ago) #24 RAAMZES

Problem is ,dunno why icefrog make that, if u dont pick hero in -xl mode you dont get random hero....you dont get hero at all so if you dont pick its 1 player less...and that is just boring coz if some1 dont pick on time you need to restart whole game...And that is just frustrating...

(2 months ago) #26 PainK

gd 1.. PaiN StriKe lyK LiGhtnin

(2 months ago) #27 PFFbubbleman

sadly im one of the spectators that finds the drafting aspect of the game fun lol, I prefer to watch the drafting > the actual game play lol At the same time RD would make new teams new combos and show what pros can do with the under used heros A nice idea im 50/50

(2 months ago) #28 Jordanmadnezzz

I guess the cool part about the idea is the "CHANGE" factor , the -apxl got a little bit annoying since it's been the official mode for all tournaments for a long time now , So.... Hell Yeah , Lets Go Random ! GoGoGo -ar ;) 1st pick - random :D

(2 months ago) #29 4ueuL

switching to RD is not the answer..

zzzzzz..if a team wins with RD ..then the other team would think they won just bec. they had good picks compared to us..and for me..there is no HONOR in that..

picking/banning is one of the factors which gives you edge over your enemies(especially if they're dumb enough)..

so why change the system?..just change the freakin time limit~!

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(2 months ago) #32 YoSnail

Exactly. Going all