02nd August 2008, 00:50
[DM9] Mouz wins due to MYM forfeiting
dg, dm9, dota, mouz, mym
It's been a while since there was a MYM vs. SK final, and in DotA Masters 9 this isn't going to happen either. Mouz and MYM will go head to head for the title. The heavy favourites from 
SK was surprisingly knocked out by the Finnish team 
Delirium.Gaming in the Quarter-final.
So this time around, it will be 
MYM.DotA and Mouz.DotA facing off in the DotA Masters 9 Grand Final. The teams just met recently in PlayDay 5 of the PDL where MYM pulled out a 2:0 victory. Mouz did give MYM a run for their money though, as the first game was a tight affair for all 93 minutes.
Since then, Mousesports has been reinforced by the former MYM-man, 
LevenT, and he will be looking to show his old team how wrong they were letting him go. Will the German be able to utilize his insider-knowledge of his old team, or will Maelk win his first title for a long time? It's all going to be decided tonight!
Don't forget about the 3rd place decider either, where DG will play against 
Shakens for the 3rd place.
Update:
Here is the statement from DL.Milo
"Talked with the tournamnet administration and the head admins of the DotA-League and we came to the decision that you have to play on an European host. Which is fairness as MYM had their host for the last time it was an offer of mouz not to use Kuro if you don't use Fear and do an European host"
and here is what Maelk had to say about their forfeit:
"First of all, we are of course sorry foir all the people waiting to see the game.
We had a lineup of five players we wanted to use tonight and we were not able to use anyone but these 5 members as slahser and MaNia are unable to play. Thus the Fear for KuroKy-idea doesn't work. At least not tonight.
For the whole lag-issue, I'm perfectly fine with everyone blaming me - After all I am the captain, but make no mistake, it was a teamdecision and not mine alone. As a captain, however, I am the spokesperson.
I don't see how it is us that are being the narrowminded on this matter. mouz is a tough opponent so why would we agree to have two of our players lag an entire game. Just as might play 3v5 then?
DotA-Leagues decision on forcing an European host is theirs to take as it is their tournament. Their reasoning is flawed, though.
We have 3 Europeans, yes, but that would still leave us with 3v5-scenario. That we hosted the first two games were mouz's decision, not ours.
As for the German communities response to us supposedly 'fearing' KuroKy: He's a terrific player, I agree, but you don't see us chicken out on Loda or vigoss, do you? :)
I'll answer reasonable questions now ( #mym.dota ). You can resolve to flaming elsewhere."
Maelk took his time to talk with mym.dota visitors about the forfeit, take a look:
23:56 whalle: MYM|Maelk, at least 400(!) wanted to see this game, you could play just to amuse.
23:57 @MYM|Maelk: whalle, we could have, but I have no interest in making my team look worse (than it is). Would give the general public the wrong impression of us.
23:58 XDotA-K: Will your work with DotA-League now end Maelk?
23:58 @MYM|Maelk: XDotA-K, yes, I don't see how my relations to them is changed over something as silly as this.
23:58 JUNKER: MYM|Maelk think now you made a better impression of yourself ?
23:58 @MYM|Maelk: JUNKER, I don't really care about the people that can't understand this decision.
00:00 Maelk_myhero: MYM|Maelk : can u pls get ur pic remove from the gg main menu ? i cant sleep and i m having nightmares
00:00 @MYM|Maelk: I've tried
23:55 Narego: If there would have been monny, you would have played right?
@MYM|Maelk: No, we would not have played it regardless of prizepurse.
00:04 JUNKER: So where are slahser & mania :o ?
00:04 @MYM|Maelk: Mania's internet is down/broken for a week or so and slahser can't use his left arm.
00:05 ReageN: so you saying just because mayne are germans they should have some aggretion against MYM?
00:06 @MYM|Maelk: ReageN, I think it is safe to say that mouz, and Kuroky, is Germany's pride of DotA as of right onw.
00:06 MunchY: why couldn't they delay it?
@MYM|Maelk: MunchY, the thought didn't even cross our minds. The game has already been postponed for so long and why would we indulge to use a different lineup if we want to use this one?
00:10 Big-B00bs: this is the worst solution, better delayed then defwinned
00:10 @MYM|Maelk: Big-B00bs, would you postpone it until we are on LAN?
00:12 ReageN: Maelk, can this mean an end to the cooperation with the VIP overseer which you had begun with DL?
00:13 @MYM|Maelk: Not for my part. If they decide to link the two things thus take a decision based on this, then be it.
00:13 Ins|MikiOgromni: what happens when u meet on pdl ? :)
00:13 @MYM|Maelk: We already played, and won 2:0, in PDL.
00:13 +plus46|miseRy-: THAT WAS WITHOUT KUROKY ! OMG!
00:14 @MYM|Maelk: I think Kuroky was playing.
00:14 Catch`Thanzi: Allthough I am dissapointed that you forfeited I can understand it somehow. Btw, what was up with your tone agains dray? Would you slap him IRL(if you had the chance) when he whined in the chan?
00:16 @MYM|Maelk: Catch`Thanzi, I can understand his frustrations. You'd think he'd be better at handling them, though. Given his age and experience on the scene. I didn't have a tone against him. I always talk in, what people apparently seems to think is, an arrogant manner. And no, I wouldn't want to slap him around IRL. I'd die.
00:18 powerbottle: which location would have been appropriate for the hosting if not europe?
00:19 @MYM|Maelk: powerbottle, I don't think a reasonable host could be found until one of the teams bowed down. That doesn't mean we would have to be the team doing so, though?
00:19 Ins|MikiOgromni: what will u do next time u play them ?
@MYM|Maelk: Ins|MikiOgromni, cointoss I suppose.
Ins|MikiOgromni: u might as well cointoss for who gets the win :)
00:20 @MYM|Maelk: Exactly Ins|MikiOgromni
00:20 DA|sokrates:MYM|Maelk: were really only 5 players of MYM there?
00:20 @MYM|Maelk: DA|sokrates, mentally we were 6 present, but slahser cannot play, so actually able to play: Yes, we are only 5.
00:22 Perith: how are you feeling ?you lost all your fanboys tonight ?
00:23 @MYM|Maelk: If I played DotA to make people like me, I should never have started, Perith.
00:24 vecna: maelk, how did you arrange the hosting of your previous games? or was fear not playing yet then?
00:24 @MYM|Maelk: We were using an all-European lineup for our past games.
this one is for the question above. Worth noticing, Perith, is that by standing by what we believe I also raise our teamspirit. All the fanboys in the world wouldn't be worth the trust and liking of your teammates. Say we decided to play the game: Fear and Merlini both would have complained about lag, lowered the ingame morale and - Should we end up losing - ultimately have been pissed that we decided to play.
00:27 powerbottle: how do u intend to use american players effectively as long as its not against an american team?
@MYM|Maelk: powerbottle, usually teams are reasonable.
00:27 powerbottle: reasonable in the sense of what - choosing na host?
00:28 @MYM|Maelk: powerbottle, reasonable goes for both sides. I think both mouz and us were too preoccupied sticking to what we believe so that neither of us wanted to find a middleground.
00:30 powerbottle: fair enough - but only if we look at it without considering the context of 2 big sponsored teams facing in the finals of the dm9 finals - there should be a more diplomatic decision with less pride involved.
00:31 @MYM|Maelk: That's why Counter-Strike is only played offline now, powerbottle.
hudson^: MYM|Maelk i have a question for you; on dota-league.com it says "At the moment it is not sure if MYM has to face consequenses after this but we will keep you informed about it." What consequences is he referring to
00:31 @MYM|Maelk: I know as much as you do.
00:30 Catch`Thanzi: Well maelk, do you think mym.dota would exist without fanboys? and do you think you would have been given the same opportunity by the mym organisation had it not been for all the fans?
00:31 @MYM|Maelk: Catch`Thanzi, I think our results speak for themselves.
00:32 BtH|Nyakes-: Ehrm, Maelk I understand that your team wouldnt like to play with two of you having problems, but couldnt you just have postponed the game, again?
00:32 @MYM|Maelk: In hindsight, yes BtH|Nyakes-, but what if we felt this was our best lineup and we wanted to use this?
00:33 Draco-: MYM|Maelk AN QUESTION : Why are you still arguing with aload of people about this? Didn't think you cared that much
00:34 @MYM|Maelk: Personally I don't care, Draco-, but there seemed to be a lot of confusion on the whole matter and I do care for my teams reputation.
00:35 ReageN: MYM|Maelk, do you think this decision can have any conseqvenses for other tournaments?
00:35 @MYM|Maelk: ReageN, no. This is far from the first time this is happening in DotA. Only reason it did is cause the game was blown out of proportion and an entire German fanbase was upset.
00:36 Catch`Thanzi: well a organisation would not support a team just for their results. their results makes more fans watch them= more hits and more commercial money for the organisation
00:37 @MYM|Maelk: Catch`Thanzi, I don't think any professional in any sport ONLY has haters.
Anyone good at what they do have fanboys. Even if they are rapists.
( Matchticker )
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MYM.DotA
Game1 Lineups:
Sentinel - | | 1:0 |
| - Scourge |
mid |  mouz.KuroKy | - |  MYM|Maelk | mid |
top |  mouz.Drayich | - |  MYM|PusHer | mid |
top |  mouz.CAT | - |  MYM|H4nn1- | top |
bot |  mouz.Levent- | - |  MYM|MaNia- | btm |
bot |  mouz.Miracle- | - |  MYM|slasher | btm |
Game2 Lineups:
Sentinel - |
| 0:1 |
| - Scourge |
top |  mouz.Levent- | - | MYM|MaNia- | top |
top |  mouz.CAT | - |  MYM|PusHer | top |
mid |  mouz.KuroKy | - |  MYM|slasher | mid |
bot | mouz.Drayich | - |  MYM|Maelk | btm |
bot |  mouz.Miracle- | - |  MYM|H4nn1- | jungle |
Game3 History:
 Mouz | MYM | |
| Banned heroes: |  Chen |  Dragonknight |
 Dazzle |  Omniknight | |
| Terrorblade |  Warlock | |
 Beastmaster | Lich |
Picks:
| Mouz | MYM | |
| First pick: | Puck  | - |
| - | Zeus / Earthshaker | |
| Shadowfiend / Mirana | - | |
| - | Leoric / Lion | |
Tidehunter / Chaosknight | - | |
| Last pick: | - | Luna |
You can find the DG and Mouz game information and the tournament brackets below.
Game 1 history:
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Lineups:
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Dazzle
Chen
PyycKoaH
Bosmare
Brackets:
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| dmZ | | - | ||||||
| dmZ | 1 | |||||||
| SK | | 0 | |||||
| SK | | 1 | ||||||
| SK | - | |||||||
 xLo | 0 | | ||||||
| DG | | 0 | |||||
| DG | | 1 | ||||||
| DG | | 1 | ||||||
| SUP | 0 | |||||||
| DG | 1 | ||||||
| F1 | | 0 | | |||||
| Flawless | 0 | |||||||
| Flawless | 1 | | ||||||
| Mouz | |||||||
| Mouz | | 1 | ||||||
| Mouz | | 1 | ||||||
 PGS | 0 | |||||||
| Mouz | | 1 | |||||
| your mum | | 1 | ||||||
| your mum | 0 | |||||||
 Ink | 0 | | ||||||
| Mouz | 1 | ||||||
| SAH | | 0 | | |||||
| [Xs] | | 1 | ||||||
| [Xs] | 1 | |||||||
| [Xs] | 0 | ||||||
| DPP | | 0 | | |||||
| MAEY | 0 | |||||||
| MAEY | 1 |
| PLAYZ | | 0 | | | | |||
| Gv | | 1 | ||||||
| Gv | 1 | |||||||
| Gv | | 0 | |||||
| EvoD | | 0 | ||||||
 KGB | 0 | |||||||
| KGB | 1 | | ||||||
| MYM | | 1 | |||||
| LAL | | 1 | ||||||
| LAL | | 0 | ||||||
| pCa | 0 | |||||||
| MYM | 1 | ||||||
| MYM | | 1 | | |||||
| MYM | 1 | |||||||
| TeaM | 0 | | ||||||
| MYM | |||||||
| eF] | | 1 | ||||||
| eF] | | 0 | ||||||
| w4sp | 0 | |||||||
| Shkns | | 1 | |||||
 eX | | 0 | ||||||
| Shkns | ||||||||
| Shkns | 1 | | ||||||
| Shkns | 0 | ||||||
| WG | | 1 | | |||||
| WG | | 0 | ||||||
| L!] | 0 | |||||||
|  DP | 0 | ||||||
 SPT | | 0 | | |||||
| DP | 1 | |||||||
| DP | 1 |
The Grand Final:
| MYM | | 1 |
| Mouz | ||
| Mouz | 2 |
3rd Place:
| DG | | 0 |
| Shkns | 0 |
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Fear i can see your point in this discussion.
BUT : You cant rly think that mouz play on an american host, when there best pla So Mouz told you, they play without kuro and you without fear for playing on a european host. But noooo , you wont play, better to forfeit the game.. And why? Maelk said that they had a team planned to play , but he must have known that you would have delaxy on a european host. I dont believe he didnt knew that you wouldnt get three times the host advantage when all mouz pla Anyway you should have see this problems before playing, you could have searched a host before. To forfeit a game, which has no - NO - prizes instead of simply playing it, was very disapointing for me, cos i was a big fan of yours. Everything i saw was that MYM doenst want to do any compromise atleast. Before MyM do any compromise, they rather forfeit a game. This behavior was kind of kindergardenst | |||||||||||||
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Lol i should have been online at the time for the rescue :)
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two words: too bad
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Quoting PzudemX: I guess the germans dont get it! Fear could not play on euro host and kuro could not play on an american host, so merlini said(for jokes): ok so you dont use kuro and we dont use fear and we play? And mouz actually wanted too. So the whole mym is afraid of kuro is just plain bullshit. When it comes to myms forfeit I was rly dissapointed too, but I understand that mym did want to look their best, and couldnt with that kind of lag on 2 pla | |
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I didnt say that Mym feared Kuro pls learn to read my posts.
But pls tell me honestly that a forfeit looks better than a normal match, which they might have lost ( fear played on european hosts before too and it werent that bad games huh?) edit: we "germans" understood that merlini was just kidding. But Drayich was serious about it... Last edited by PzudemX at 02.08.2008, 14:45
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Bottom-line seems to be that in big online matches, lag is a legitimate concern for pla
In the case last night, the sword cut both ways. MYM didn't want two of its pla So the only thing to do then was to try to work out a solution that was fair for both sides. And given the bad way the discussion went -- and considering also DL's rule that the games are to be played on a Euro host -- it was obvious that there was no solution to be found. They probably could have postponed until they found a host they all liked, but by that time tempers were lost. | |
They should have played in Battle.net on a RU-host ;).
But seriously, MYM would look better if they would have played the game and lost than forfeiing. I cant believe how Maelk can say after the game, that they would play it, if there would be a cointoss. Also he blames the German community, because some (angry) people spammed the mym.dota IRC-Channel. Yesterday there were over 400 people in IRC-Channel and over 100 on our teamspeak-server to listen a livecast of the game. Of course they are disappointed and frustrated if they wait more than two hours for a game, which isnt played. Delay here or there, there was no prizemoney or something (okay fame), so why dont just play for community to have a funny game. At least mouz presented us a dota-game. profesional killstealer and alpaca^-farmer
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i think most german guys who tell that mym would fear kuro are just kidding... Atleast its right there is a disadvantage for Fear and so on...but it was a game for fame, nothing more. No Prizes. And Fear played on european hosts before , as i said, and it was playable. And finally now it doesnt work anymore. No way unplayable... And my question is not answered anyway : When Levent played for MyM he hosted many games, and it was never a problem. Why it is now? Anyway, i understand the problems and things of mym and mouz but mym doenst look better with simply not fighting for a win. asiateams always play with mass delay and might complain often , however, but they PLAY atleast and thats the point. |