Imagine a huge football fan. It shouldn't be so hard to imagine, because there are billions of them in the world, literally. It's trendy and cool to be a football fan. And anyway, why not? I always believe you get born, later you die, and everything in between is for you to fill in however you like. A simple philosophy. To find something you are truly passionate about can sometimes take the better part of your life. When you find something early on in your life, you should consider yourself lucky. You can be a fan of something or someone for any reason. Perhaps they embody a spirit that you wish you had, or they followed career paths that you wish you could. Maybe later you even will. Maybe not. Maybe your idol's story is a story that is about beating the odds in an inspiring way. Or you can see their success to be really deserved because you admire their character and so on. So is it cool to be a soccer fan? Usually I have found that it is. There is no stigmatization. Here we are, rooting for greater fame and acknowledgment of the eSports Scene, and at the same time we're making a big mistake. Anyone who announces themselves to be a fan of an eSports team or player will get shot down by other people. You have to ask yourself why. P.J. Orgues (also known as ToaD or JuneWoo) used to be a huge soccer fan, but due to his disability he was unable to be a practitioner of the sport itself anymore. Because of his disability, his life changed. He doesn't ever complain about it, but it has made a difference. Because he can't play sports very well anymore, he has gained other interests. Now he likes to play computer games, and follow the eSports scene. Here is a guy with no malice in himself at all, who commits himself wholeheartedly to the support of a team or player. He is not afraid to tell other people that he is a fan - while many other fans apprehensively hide the fact that they like a player or team. "What if someone calls you a fanboy?" In my own experience, I've been a fan of any number of people, but usually not for life. There was a time I really admired Schwarzenegger, because I thought he was so cool and big and strong. I didn't notice the funny accent or the poor acting, instead I saw a dragon-slayer that I wish I could be. I was young, later I grew up, my interests changed, and so did my idols. My dad has been an idol for me for my whole life pretty much. I've idolized other WC3 players. For any kind of reason, such things can change and it is not for other people to judge why. As Orgues entered the eSports scene, he became a fan of Lyn. Perhaps he thought Lyn looked handsome, played so well, and gave cool interviews. Because of Lyn, he became a fan of what was the World Elite team at that time. Later, as those players went to SK, he became an avid fan supporter. He caught a lot of spotlights because of his story and was even praised into the sky by Malystryx, a big SK fan himself. Of course, Malystryx works there now so he can't be expected to change his idols any time soon. Because of whatever reason, Orgues has come to identify himself more with the MYM squad now. Do you know the reason? I certainly don't. Maybe it has nothing to do with Lyn or the SK players themselves, but the feeling he gets when he reads SK forums full of crap about how Toad is such a fanboy... Yes he is, and so what? He has never done anyone any wrong, is in the eSports scene because he has a passion for something and because he can't do sports anymore, and some people see that as just cause for shooting him down with malicious jokes and so forth. It is nothing short of childhood bullying, with a big bunch of childish retards doing the bullying and with the victim trying to shrug it off maturely. For someone where eSports is a big part of his life, how do you think it feels when everyone is jumping a bandwagon to attack him like that? What has he done to you? Oh and Malystryx, I'm not sure that it's legally correct to put up someone's pictures with a bunch of text balloons of things he never said or never would say. It is so unclassy..

 

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(3 months ago)  #1 sellah

This comment has been deactivated by the admin crew due to its content.

(3 months ago)  #2 lolxxx17984

+ practice, - blogs

(3 months ago)  #10 MYM|Grubby It took me about 10 minutes, but thanks. (3 months ago)  #106 Celial   - practice, + blogs! no seriously, i like that you show that you follow the "scene" instead of just being self-centered in your gaming. i'd really enjoy reading more from you, your viewpoints of things. i think, since you are some kind of idol to some people, that may be a beacon of "social competence" in this anonymous online world. Oh and I'm no Fanboy, thats for sure, but i like your style *giggle* :P Do not regret. Always forward and never back. (2 months ago)  #205 MildS3ven if it's from your heart, 10 minutes, 5 minutes, it doesn't matter, I am glad to see a player such as yourself stand up to your belief for fans, even if not your own fans at the risk of your own reputation... though I agree a little bit, practise more, as an orc player, I have high regards of you, and hope you do the best you can do... and well, I also admire Moon, hope the 2 of you can actually talk to each other.

(3 months ago)  #3 SqRqH

Sweet from you you took a couple of your time to speak for him. I don't suffer of insanity, I enjoy every second of it.

(3 months ago)  #4 ONe

gg Manuel

(3 months ago)  #5 CaTeTo   GG Manolo!

(3 months ago)  #6 sellah

'Yes he is, and so what? He has never done anyone any wrong' Indeed he didnt rape my mum neither make me break my leg but imagine Real Madrit lifetime fan who one day goes to Santiago Bernabeu and screams GO ROBINHO and the next day tears all his fan shirts and buys shitloads of Barcelona's ones and acts as if he had never cheered for the former team. Yeah well, that's so perfectly okay. And #2 is right. Also, i think far more people are interested in the fact why the hell on Earth you didnt seed you/Moon against Remind/Soju instead of Luci/Soccer who got literally stomped as if it they were 10lvl ladder players.

(3 months ago)  #9 The1Crow Maybe you can understand that inside all those players are also humans like you and me - and that they sometimes don't think only about games and to win. Sometimes there are things that really concern them, and they want to share their thoughts with people, I think you should be glad about that. Some ppl come into our lives and quickly go. Some stay ever! (3 months ago)  #11 sellah   What kind of reply is that? Grubby compared that situation to a football fan and so did I. Do you really imagine ANY kind of fan switching between archrival teams daily? (3 months ago)  #55 Shival No, and neither do I see Toad doing that. (Which nullifies your argument) Secondly, you'll have to compare Toad with a football fan which is getting bullied by his companion fans. I can imagine changing groups then. (3 months ago)  #12 MYM|Army I was a Schumacher fan until he crashed into Villeneuve in Jerez ( around 97 ). That day changed my whole way of seeing "my idol" - I lost interest in him as he did not represent my ideas of a sportsperson. I became a fan of Villeneuve as he won fair and square. I stayed a fan of Villeneuve until I lost interest in Formula 1 a few years later. Flip flopping? Maybe, but isn't it somebodies right to change, for whichever reasons? Does that give other people right to attack them then in public? What's the use? I have lost a lot of respect today for a very good writer in the scene. Not because he's a bad winner, but also because it seems that he's a bad person himself judging by his actions. Last edited by Army at 20.08.2008, 23:38 pobudeczka na bacon i jajeczka (3 months ago)  #17 sellah   You could easily say toad was supporting SK just as much as he could, including going to events with them. Now imagine you are an SK fan yourself and one of your buddies who was cheering for them along with you disappears and shows up at archrival team's site. The real SK fans have the perfect right to be angry with toad's behaviour, and yes i remember majority of people at SK forums who flame toad are just trolls, yet i'm sure there are some who are there just to cheer for SK. Malastryx' column is pathetic, that's beyond any discussion. But toad brought it on himself, simple as it is. (3 months ago)  #19 MYM|Army But do you know the reasons of his choice? Who are you to judge his actions? And what gives anybody the right to flame his personal choices in public? It's not like he is a public figure, although that's what some people would like to believe or make him ( or even tried to do ). And even if people are so much interested in toad; why don't people try to look beyond the facade, and try to explore the reasons for the choices people make. Right now people judge somebody by his actions, not the reasons for such, and that's simply immature. pobudeczka na bacon i jajeczka (3 months ago)  #21 sellah   Well i don't know his reasons, but all the time you seem to be acting as if you did so why dont you enlighten me? If he switched so suddenly just because someone flamed him a few times tops (i dont think this has been happening very often earlier, nobody really did care about toad before) because of his spamcomments, then i guess he should change his interests to chess, where there are no 15year old harsh kids. (3 months ago)  #29 MYM|Army I'm not saying I do, and if I did it would not be up to me to enlighten anyone. I'm saying look behind the facade before you make a quick judgement. People are very fast in jumping to conclusions. As some are very fast to say that it's jumping on the winning team, some others might be wondering why somebody who invested a considerable amount of money in a team, who met his idols and worked together with the teams staff decided to leave it all behind. I'm completely neutral on this, it can be either way. However it's up to the people to use their brains, fill in the blanks and to make up their own minds. Last edited by Army at 21.08.2008, 00:22 pobudeczka na bacon i jajeczka (3 months ago)  #32 sellah   As i already said, if somebody feels that bad because of a few harsh comments (there were very few before that, well now thats completely different...) he should find some other sport to watch with a grown up community and maybe grow up a bit himself. (3 months ago)  #33 MYM|Army Your comment doesn't make any sense in relation to the preceeding comments. That's a completely different topic, and based on one point of one possible story out of many. pobudeczka na bacon i jajeczka (3 months ago)  #38 sellah   What are you on? First you say it's up to us to guess the reason of toad's decision. Being insulted by forum trolls is the most obvious one why he switched teams. Now how does that relate to the SK's team itself when absolutely nobody directly related to the team or site crew insulted him anywhere? The sense and relation between those comments is pretty clear. (3 months ago)  #118 MYM|Army Basically what I told you is to think a bit more about somebodies reasons, and you reply with a repetition of your prior comments as if this is the only logical solution. Furthermore your latest answer is related on "official comments", which fails in looking "behind the facade". That's fine by me, you can ignore and/or not take into consideration what is being said, but you'll have to pardon me if I won't continue the discussion based on that. pobudeczka na bacon i jajeczka (3 months ago)  #115 Phil I remember Schumacher de-laning Damon Hill on the Japanese track, in the last race, thus winning the season as Hill couldn't finish the race, while Schumacher only had a short time-penalty and got enough points to pass him. I think that was the defining moment for me; I've hated that selfcentered bastard ever since that :p I'm forever blowing bubbles!

(3 months ago)  #7 The1Crow

yeah, that has nothing to do with SK or MYM, it is much bigger, a question about humanity.... Some ppl come into our lives and quickly go. Some stay ever!

(3 months ago)  #8 sellah

Humanity doesnt like traitors. Not any kind of them.

(3 months ago)  #13 AOR

people need to lighten up Last edited by AOR at 21.08.2008, 01:18

(3 months ago)  #14 RhoNeX

Pretty much agree with everything, SK website went to shit.. layout-wise, forum-wise and now also the staff... only Carmac is bringing nice stuff nowadays, sad.

(3 months ago)  #15 slahser

A lot can be said about this, but one thing is certain: The next WC3 match between MYM and SK is going to be epic. ...though it will never succeed the amount of tension in DotA ;)

(3 months ago)  #16 Gerila

Hi, I'd like to say that I'm a SKY AND INFI FAN, and I don't give a rat's ass about what anyone says about that. On ToaD/JuneWoo, at least he has the balls of buying team T-SHIRTS and posting pictures of himself with them. On the polish asparagus picker: I'd say something nasty but it would probably get my comment deleted so instead I'm just gonna wish you all the best.

(3 months ago)  #18 sellah   No problem Romanian buddy, every single post of yours, here and everywhere (gosugamers, mainly) proves you've got some serious mental problems. I hope you recover some day.

(3 months ago)  #20 NLRotterdaM

I can understand the point of the blogg and there are points to agree with, yet I feel I'm on the other side. Instead of all the sensetive talk as in "omg so mean at toad", sellah is right... indeed real fans like toad would be good for e-sports, so then a situation where 1 person who gets more attention than others is totally crazy about 1 team then suddenly cheers for a other team, is something to make fun of, thats what happens in real sports as well... To take an example, just as player kennet perez is still getting mocked for his az --> ajax --> psv ---> ajax --> ? , (rival teams like sk and mym ) if a public figure is a big fan of team A, and suddenly ends up at team B, there is drama and jokes about it, thats normal, thats life and thats sport. Or a player as Leonardo, grew up at feyenoord and got raised there, Feyenoord was "his team" , that were his words, then he went to a lower team where he performed well and ended up at rival ajax, its not like he's a very loved figure under feyenoord fans now? Ofcourse there is a difference between a player and a fan, but it comes down to the same thing, can't think of any fans example cause that just almost doesnt happen in real sports, besides at kids when you are young :), in 5th grade they are for team a, next year team B is champion and they are fan of team B, his classmates that stayed loyal to the losing team mock him for being a glory hunter, thats the way it goes, atleast thats the way i grew up ;], i think he called it out over himself, no one asked him to be on SK mainpage, no one asked him to support sk in every match 300 games on a row, no one asked him to cry after sk lost at NGL, he became this public figure himself so when he suddenly made the switch to the other side you can't expect that people won't mock him with that, that would be living in a surreal world, just my 2 cents. The fact that the newsposter mock him is maybe a bit to much, but somehow it gives the feeling that the site is close to their users and I'm sure a lot of users appriciate it , just like some don't, its impossible to please everybody at the same time

(3 months ago)  #57 Shival Neither did Toad ask to be on the mainpage. Nor did he asked to cry. He became a public figure because of SK's articles and fans, not because he asked to be. Therefore I don't think you can say he called it out over himself. Let me ask you a question; Did you choose WC3 to become known, or because you enjoyed it? I think we all know the answer and what happened as a side effect because of that choice, so, try to relate it to Toad and you'll see he's not to blame for anything. As it's not his choice to become the figurehead he is now. Nor do I think it's entirely his choice to change his favorite team, but also events made by others that are out of his control. I'd rather blame those, instead of the victim. He's choosing his life, as are you. Do we as outsiders have a say in what he should be doing? Or what is right? (3 months ago)  #68 iLLeR   "Neither did Toad ask to be on the mainpage. Nor did he asked to cry. He became a public figure because of SK's articles and fans" How did SK exactly interview Toad without him knowing it was going to be on the front page? Yes, Toad chose to be on the front page - several times. He also chose to spam even though he was asked several times not to do it. Spamming isn't toleretad here either, the messages get deleted. His post count was probably in thousands and all he ever wrote was two or three words that didn't contribute to the conversation. Or maybe you would enjoy reading 200 lines of messages that say "good game" under every news post about a match (expecting that everyone would act like Toad). And I don't think that Maly's intention was to "bully" him, it was all in good humour. The joke come more from the community, Maly just put it on the front page. And that is what a lot of people seem to miss. Or check the Carmack aka Uszat interviews, people are pretty much humiliated in those too but it is all in good humour. (3 months ago)  #89 Shival No, he chose to do the article