MYM - Idea about good and evil.

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This was originaly wrote in spanish, translated with google and quickly "debugged" by me, so it surely has mistakes, feel free to criticise or give an opinion.

A few days ago while playing on my PC there was a flaw in the energy system supplier. Without anything further to do I went to sit next to the sea.
It was dark, the sun had already gone for a couple of hours, and as the whole area was without power I could clearly see the sky, only lit by the stars. My picture was completed with the vision of the sea, a short distance from me, and the sound of gentle waves that constantly came to the beach. Have you ever looked at the sea in darkness? The water has some organism that flashes white-blue lights, when waves are agitated. That was my situation, sitting in front of the ocean, with a summer breeze, seeing stars in the air and at sea. Stars fleeting, birds and satellites crossed the sky
At some corner of my mind an idea was born, but rather a question. Why parts of the eternal dichotomy, good and evil, are related to the light and darkness.
The Goog, in my view, and as I understand it, should be understood as the order, natural things as they should be. Anything unnatural, anything that keeps away things his own being, the way in which these things must exist, all that are cause and origin of the chaos will not be part of this "Good" on the contrary will be considered evil .
In the classic example, the Bible, the universe is created, Adam and Eve live in peace, tranquillity and order, living according to standards established by this creature known as God. Then the snake appears, the Demon (my hero in this story), and gives them an apple so now this pair of innocent creatures can leave the established way, could affect the peace, tranquillity and order .
Lucifer is a word that comes from the Greek and means "bearer of light" would be given this name because it opened the possibility to choose between good evil, gave us the Reason. According to something I read, before the eleventh century, Jesus was known as Lucifer.
Returning to my mind, dark exist, things are dark per se, the darkness is the absence of light, darkness would then be the established. Light is chaos, the light that floods the obscure world, light destroys darkness, the light goes against the established. From the above, the darkness is to good as the light is to evil.

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"light destroys darkness" remembered me The Doors "Break on trough"

GLHF

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(6 months ago) #1 CiX

sad that i cant read the whole text, the format is not good =)

(6 months ago) #2 myMYM\|Dendra

i find it interesting how catholics worship god and devil because both names have the same root, they pretty much mean the same thing because it was a common name kings liked to have. story about lucifer was stolen from a babylonian tale about some king, added some fancy stuff like angels and voilla,you get a good read for naive sheep, aka humans.

i doubt god-lucifer relation can be used when we talk about good and evil because church is the most corrupted of them all, followers must be poor and humble while the church can drive BMW and drink most expensive wines,

not to mention - you aint going to heaven unless you pay x times to the church for god knows what ceremonies and ofc, did they forgot to mention that even in the bible it's actually said who will go to heaven?, or in other words that "Line" has been crossed long time ago, meaning none of the good catholics will go to heaven even if such thing existed. it is quite interesting how church likes to reveal and implement works that are good for it, how would they live if all the followers left them, who would they still the money from ;;

ultimate evil is in there, votings on who will be declared a saint, votings on who will be the next pope, it's never been about doing good deeds, it's about having power which comes from control. sadly, nowadays people are getting smarter and they see more and more who really believes in his/her religion and helps you understand it, and who just toys with your mind,

as i said countless times, in the movie good,bad, evil - two brothers were poor, after many years they've grown up and met each other, the brother who became a monk asks his brother why did he become a thief, his brother replies - we were both poor, i chose to be a thief, you to be a monk.

best thought i've ever heard since it's so true, and apparently it comes down to same, what we see as ultimate evil is equal to the ultimate "good" - a person who dedicated his life to god.

If force won't work, use greater force.

(6 months ago) #10 Inzek

Quoting Dendra:

i doubt god-lucifer relation can be used when we talk about good and evil because church is the most corrupted of them all, followers must be poor and humble while the church can drive BMW and drink most expensive wines,

God-Lucifer is not just a catholic belief... i think every still standing religion has it

im atheist anyway

PD:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster LOL

Last edited by Inzek at 13.02.2008, 23:00

(6 months ago) #15 myMYM\|Dendra

many religions believe in reincarnation, etc. so no, not every religion has it, by far not every one :)

If force won't work, use greater force.

(6 months ago) #25 myMYM\|Dectilon

Hinduism has it's God and Devil too, they just have a somewhat more depressing view on life and death. If you've lived a good enough life you cease to exist on this plane and move on to the next, but if you've done bad things in your life you might be reincarnated as a cow or maybe just a human in the lower casts of society. Suprise and Terror!

(6 months ago) #3 KimiKimi

Quoting Dendra:

best thought i've ever heard since it's so true, and apparently it comes down to same, what we see as ultimate evil is equal to the ultimate "good" - a person who dedicated his life to god.

lol good is the one who dedicated their lives to god? That's bad definition of good. First of all, what or who is God? And from which point of view you classify things as good or evil?

But I agree that without the light there's no darkness. In other words, light defines darkness and other way around.

And as for that picture, if 'caos' means anything like 'chaos' then well.. it's inverted reflection of one of it's halves. That's too much simple order to make up for chaos ;)

Last edited by KimiKimi at 13.02.2008, 19:06

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(6 months ago) #11 Inzek

caos =chaos yes i know what a fractal is, and i know is not really chaos, at all. But looks chaotic.

(6 months ago) #4 myMYM\|Cassandra

Can't read all the words. To fix this bug, you should make the picture smaller. The picture shouldn't be bigger than the "User Contribution" tab on top.

When picture is smaller, the text bug will be fixed. :)

Last edited by Cassandra at 13.02.2008, 19:25

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(6 months ago) #12 Inzek

oh thx.. think i fixed

(6 months ago) #5 KPicyF

I have to say I'm in on the same thoughts as KimiKimi. Please, Dendra explain what God has to do with good?

Or perhaps you only typoed? :p

How do you do, my name is Trouble.

(6 months ago) #6 myMYM\|Dendra

did i ever say i think that :D
sry if i wasnt clear.
i meant how people have wrong view on it and think that someone who dedicates his life to god must be a good person.

If force won't work, use greater force.

(6 months ago) #9 KPicyF

Oh, now I understood what you meant :p How do you do, my name is Trouble.

(6 months ago) #7 myMYM\|Snotty

In the past religion was an easy way to control the masses, but now people are much smarter, thus harder to be manipulated.

PS - Yeah try fixing your pic size xD

"I pick my nose, therefore I am"

(6 months ago) #8 KPicyF

Yet we see trends and fashion controlling the masses :)

How do you do, my name is Trouble.

(6 months ago) #13 Inzek

rofl true

(6 months ago) #14 Inzek

have any watched the movie zeitgeist? i think worth it.

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

(6 months ago) #17 CiX

´rly interesting . best comment for me since my sign up here

(6 months ago) #16 Lus7

good and evil are defined differently by different people.take gaming as an example.some people say gaming is bad and corrupts ones mind where as some say taht its good.being good is generally considered as telling the truth and the things that are related to truthfulness,where as evil related to lies.but what if we lie for someones benefit?will it still be considered evil?no,then why do we keep worrying about good and evil?just to decide wether we'll go to heaven or hell?the truth is there is no heaven and neither is there a hell.when you die you just become a fertilizer for the soil and food for the worms.

you said"According to something I read, before the eleventh century, Jesus was known as Lucifer"thats wrong.luficer is the fallen angel who was later known as satan,the enemy of god.lucifer was considered to be gods favourite angel but since he led a revolution against god in the heavens he was thrown out of it.well this is what i read and its supposed to be more correct.

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(6 months ago) #22 Inzek

Quoting Lus7: you said"According to something I read, before the eleventh century, Jesus was known as Lucifer"thats wrong.luficer is the fallen angel who was later known as satan,the enemy of god.lucifer was considered to be gods favourite angel but since he led a revolution against god in the heavens he was thrown out of it.well this is what i read and its supposed to be more correct. if you read, i said that lucifer means "bearer of light (portador de luz)", that from greek lux-fere ... and i explained way Devil is called that way, then i just commented the other about Jesus. So i think you are wrong. Belcebu is the name of that angel i think btw. Other Samael(different angel), there are many others.

(6 months ago) #18 KimiKimi

Quoting Lus7:

the truth is there is no heaven and neither is there a hell.when you die you just become a fertilizer for the soil and food for the worms.

been there, done that? Or just widly guessing? ;)

Quoting Lus7:

you said"According to something I read, before the eleventh century, Jesus was known as Lucifer"thats wrong.luficer is the fallen angel who was later known as satan,the enemy of god.lucifer was considered to be gods favourite angel but since he led a revolution against god in the heavens he was thrown out of it.well this is what i read and its supposed to be more correct.

Denomination could survive in the past, because there was no internet nor tv lol

(6 months ago) #21 myMYM\|Dendra

hmm, it's safe to say there is no hell, like 100%, it's a complete fairy tale made up to scare little children (not just kids in age but in brain activity, too). heaven as it is perceived in christianity doesnt exist either. personally, i find most things are true in buddhism, most mature of all, usually it just tries to help you understand it, yourself, life and other religions, it doesnt force you to anything like christianity does. you know people had to pay taxes to church if they didnt come on Sundays? i mean what's up with that, even nowadays you give so much cash to church...

one thing i find hillarious is that human stupidity should never be underestimated, even nowadays things like "order your ticket to heaven today" work, so imagine how such things worked before, not to mention all the magical tricks, like stygmas, etc., nowadays all such tricks and producing fake blood, etc. are revealed, hmm did i mention we have professional exorcists? and yes, you have to pay them hefty ammount of money so that they purge your beloved one from the "demons", etc. etc.church is bad as much as it can be.

If force won't work, use greater force.

(6 months ago) #23 Inzek

church isn't equal religion.

(6 months ago) #24 myMYM\|Dendra

yes, that is correct, but tell it to the church. if church acted in that way then no child would be brain washed. problem is church directly forces their interpretations, their explanations, their perception of life, etc., there are but a few good priests who simply like to help someone explore a religion. most of them hold tight to their vision and if you dare to think otherwise you will go to hell, most definetly. every human being should choose a religion once he/she feels ready, it's very hard to make someone not believe in lies if they are fed with them from the early childhood - imagine a child being raised upon stories about santa clause, make a whole religion out of it, and then see how hard it will be to convince that person as a grown up that there is no such thing as a santa clause. when it comes to catholic church, their lies go so deep into the history that it is impossible to prove they lied, especially because of the fact that they either burned evidence or killed/assassinated anyone who knew too much. ever since church couldn't do the same things effectively it appears that people have began to wake up from the dream, new evidence keeps popping up and church has no explanations except perhaps - "it's the devil's work! reading such texts will make you burn in hell for eternity, but dont worry, for a hefty fee you can remove all your sins and go to heaven" If force won't work, use greater force.

(6 months ago) #19 myMYM\|Snotty

Why are you all assuming that everyone here is Christian ? I bet that if you ask a guy who lives Chad (that's in Africa in case you don't know) he would give you a totally different definition for those 2 words (good/evil)... God, Heaven, Hell, Angels - those "things" are not part of every religion, so let's avoid using those in our posts here. "I pick my nose, therefore I am"

(6 months ago) #20 S_cast0R

weird thing My only state is a State of Trance.

(6 months ago) #26 Streetrunner

Good and evil are not opposites. Whoever defines what good is is the definers opinion. Evil is the same. I personally don't see much evil in the world overal because its how I perceive it.

Using a book referencing such a long time ago (beginning of time according to Moses) has a snake that is persuasive. Big whoop. Really, for all those that really think this snake situation is why we have evil, well, it would prove it was allowed by this God. But it doesn't parallel with modern Christian control or beliefs.

There is a wide belief that Catholics created this Lucifer character in order to control the weak minded which forever exist. fear is a strong thing.

You could even take the thought a bit further by studying the Gnostic texts where some state this world being created by the god named Yaldoboath Saklas Samael, which in christian terms is another name for the devil. But in gnostic terms it is the name of the god of earth, who was basically a brat god creating man in his image (hence all the great things man always causes like planet rape and destruction of everything worth anything in the name of greed and industry) that created humans when he wasn't supposed to in defiance to his parents Sofia (which IS referenced in the normal Bible) the entity of Wisdom and the supposed Almighty God, which is still the one Jesus refers to depending on the text. This Yaldaboath is alot of times what the devil figure is blamed on.

Anyways, look it up and don't assume any one thing is right or wrong. I could go on forever here. Id say dont focus on light and dark, cuz they are both beautiful. It isn't one sided, just that the earth is one sided in spacial comparison to the sun at that time ;)

Don't you ever forget, it is the person and man's fault for things being as they are. WE are the greediest animal that could ever be and we are suffering heavily from it now. No one is ever satisfied. And they never will be. it is a flawed existence, but there are ways to make it good and happy ;)

(6 months ago) #27 Inzek

i never intended to define good and evil, or talk 'bout religion... i just made a summary to explain what i think most cultures relate to good and evil, then i introduce an example to make it even clearer, with a story most people know. my text was just a thought on how we (human) tend to relate good to light and evil to darkness. (darthvader: the dark side of the force etc...), maybe becouse dark hides thing that can hurt us, like wolves and other creatures in primitive states of our civilization. glhf

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