Esport Poker League21.06.2008, 13:37 • written by alex 'underatker' armstrong • 625 views
WoW in Extreme masters?!
ESL have either made a revolution, or a big mess of this, and by the looks of it, it looks like a big mess. ESL have decided to replace one of the most used RTS of all time (wc3) with the other blizzard RPG game, WoW.I hate this, why should they replace wc3 with WoW, which doesnt have a big E-sports following, and most people probably wouldnt even like to watch 2 people duelling in my opinion.
Your views on this?~
Source:
http://www.esl-world.net/masters/news/58791/
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Editor     #1 21.06.2008, 16:35  Posts : 141 Member since : 23 Nov 06 | I just can say I'm freaking angry...what the fuck in hell? WoW instead of WC3? This must the biggest joke ever -.- btw, sign here: http://www.petitiononline.com/w3united/ ______________________ Elen sila lumenn omentilmo |
StarCraft Editor   #2 22.06.2008, 01:31  Posts : 1195 Member since : 29 Jun 06 | i suggest you play wow arena and then judge it...very entertaining, requires good teamwork and skills. ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force. |
#4 25.06.2008, 10:03  Posts : 64 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | #2 Skills? What skills?! All you have to do is hit your best spell or ability and use trinkets. I don't know, I'm pretty much the noob in this area, but telling from the observations I think that there is just a few more things that they do in the game :S, but again thats just my opinion. IMO they should try it out with WoW, since there's a lot people playing it, but to replace it with W3 OMG! Maybe they think W3 will die out when SCII comes out so they replacing it earlier... ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
#5 25.06.2008, 11:02  Posts : 10 Member since : 11 May 08 | #Baksuz - Did you ever played WoW, and got hero with lvl 50>? WoW seriously need a skill, but WoW instead of Wc3 is still a fuc*ing joke... |
#6 25.06.2008, 11:06  Posts : 456 Member since : 16 Jan 07 | Well if you want a game with real arena skills take guild wars xD Adding WoW is fine imo. Removing Wc3 is plain stupid -_- |
#7 25.06.2008, 12:24  Posts : 471 Member since : 10 Feb 05 | WoW can be compared to DotA in this case. It might be fun to play from time to time, but it is utter shit as a spectator sport. ______________________ How do you do, my name is Trouble. |
#8 25.06.2008, 13:20 Posts : 64 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | #Pazek, my max level is 13-14, but i watch 70 lvl guys going on raids and pvp almost everyday, and I can't see any major skilled that is needed :S, but you're right I can't talk about it since I don't play it. Gotta agree with icyF, I think that WoW will be a hit but it'll become boring really fast. ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
#9 25.06.2008, 15:10  Posts : 42 Member since : 26 Apr 08 | Does WoW even have any Extreme masters? |
#10 25.06.2008, 16:40 Posts : 64 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | #9 excellent question! Does anybody know who's the best WoW pla ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
| StarCraft Editor #11 25.06.2008, 18:07 Posts : 1195 Member since : 29 Jun 06 | baksuz....wow isnt about leveling up, thats for no-life people that end up raiding every day to get tier6 items. this (if it is what i think it is) is arena competition, most likely 3v3 teams, it requires much more skills than for example dota so it more than deserves to be in there. it is different when you see some noob videos people made on youtube, them in full s3 noob-bashing s1 geared people in arena with 2shots, etc., i agree wow sucked hard because of that but now blizzard is improving it alot there is a server specifically made for arena matches where every pla not to mention wow brings alot of money and has a large fanba yes btw, regarding best pla Last edited by at 25.06.2008, 18:09 ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force. |
| Global Content Manager #12 25.06.2008, 18:40  Posts : 145 Member since : 10 Oct 05 | Dendra, you are a passionate man for things that you enjoy, and love to bash the things you don't enjoy or don't understand. While there should be no mocking of what skills it takes to win a WoW-match, you should neither neglect that the best DotA-teams are using the same time for practice and preparation as the WoW-pla So you can't say that one thing is better, harder or requires more skill than the other. In this example you can't compare the two, simply because the first one is an RTS-kindda thing, whereas the second is MMORPG-st ______________________ I'm forever blowing bubbles! |
| StarCraft Editor #13 25.06.2008, 19:46 Posts : 1195 Member since : 29 Jun 06 | i am not a fan of wow nor dota, i tried both and have seen highest level of performance so i know what i'm comparing. i use dota because nobody whines about it being enlisted on tours and suddenly we see this reaction for wow so im just putting down some facts. wow requires equal practice/skill to perfect teamwork and control of your unit. however in wow you have to follow several targets at same time (yes i know, microing hero and a chicken is incredible multitasking, forgive my sarcasm i know it aint just about that), doing specific things to each one of them, and with action being very, very fast you dont have much time, you have to act quick, not to mention it is humans you play against so you're faced with 3targets, each moving in its own direction and you have to keep doing for example your main task, secondary taks, etc. and still remain in sight of your healer (if your team setup is that way, cuz some teams just rely on heavy nuke) at the right time, not like healer's life is any easier, he has to follow his teammates to assist, also follow enemies to use crucial skills so positioning and teamwork is very important. wow is a complete game..game..it isnt that simple, yes i know it still needs to be balanced some more(but as do 99% of other games) but it has just entered true competitive gaming so instead of bashing it, it would be nicer that we look at it with an open mind and support it as it really is a good game. btw yes, you can say one thing is harder than other, like some fps are more ba Last edited by at 25.06.2008, 19:48 ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force. |
#14 25.06.2008, 19:47 Posts : 64 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | Dendra you obviously know much more than me on this subject so I'm gonna stop acting like a wise-ass. I don't know how skill is being measured, but from what I've seen I don't think it takes a lot of skill to be good, but yet again I've never played at 70th lvl so I can't say for sure. All I can say for sure is that it would be a HUGE step forward for eSports if only half of the WoW community becomes attracted to it. Imagine ~4.5 mil. new members oO <3 ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
#15 25.06.2008, 19:50 Posts : 64 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | I don't know how skill is being measured, but from what I've seen I don't think it takes a lot of skill to be good, but yet again I've never played at 70th lvl so I can't say for sure. I take that back. ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
| StarCraft Editor #16 25.06.2008, 19:51 Posts : 1195 Member since : 29 Jun 06 | np baksuz, im just saying people should first try it and then judge it...i know i also thought "geez i just press 1,2,3,4,1,2..", honestly until lvl51 for hunter it is like that, but anyhow, at level70 balance between classes changes completely, i mean dont get me wrong im not 2k+ rating pla basically arena is also about balancing your gear/spec and about every member of the team capable of doing some damage - that's why lvl70 is needed as with a healer class you can make a good spec that does both healing and dps in arena, not to mention classes like warrior which really dominate on lvl70, whereas on 60 for example hunter can solo him with no problems whatsoever. btw - being good is relative :) i mean wow aint such a fuss, it's easy to figure out your class, problem is you have to know every class well to understand game better and most important part is teamwork, which is equally hard for all games. P.S. only thing i dislike in wow are macro keys and extra add-ons, i mean with proper setup you can perform very well without much stress, i was always for doing everything by yourself so im not sure what rules will be implemented there, to kinda make some fine line between required macro/addons and the point when pc starts doing more than you do Last edited by at 25.06.2008, 19:54 ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force. |
#17 25.06.2008, 20:04 Posts : 64 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | It's on us to wait and see. I have to say that I wasn't thrilled when I heard that WoW's in and W3 out, but when I took a look at the big picture I realized how much would a game like that (popularity-wise mostly) benefit the eSports. If WoW would make the community (a lot) bigger, than a sacrifice like droping W3 in EM would be acceptable. ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
| StarCraft Editor #18 25.06.2008, 20:18 Posts : 1195 Member since : 29 Jun 06 | well look at the big picture, starcraft2 is coming...it will eat alive other rts communities, so naturally there will be some spots left, maybe blizzard is taking steps to such a change already... ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force. |
 #19 25.06.2008, 22:12 Posts : 7 Member since : 19 May 08 | WoW takes very little if any skill, end of story. There is some teamwork involved in arenas, but even then it's less teamwork than a counterstrike team would use. Basically it's CS without the individual skill and with watered down emphasis on teamwork. As far as DOTA vs WoW goes, I'd say DOTA takes a little more teamwork and slightly more individual skill. I'm not a huge fan of DOTA in esports, but it's definitely a better choice than WoW. Generally skill wise, I'd say SC>Wc3>CS>DOTA>WoW ______________________ www.entropy-gaming.com |
#20 25.06.2008, 23:30  Posts : 616 Member since : 20 May 07 | I got one question. When you use a skill in WoW, do you have to aim there like in CS? Or is it auto aim? SC>Wc3=CS>DotA>WOW imo ______________________ ╦╦╦╦╦╦╦ The fence of the Ancients ╦╦╦╦╦╦╦ |
#21 25.06.2008, 23:32 Posts : 7 Member since : 19 May 08 | You don't have to aim the skills, not auto aim either, just goes to the person. ______________________ www.entropy-gaming.com |
#22 26.06.2008, 01:06 Posts : 64 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | Don't know how much teamwork is needed in CS, but I do know that there's a lot of teamwork needed in WoW. Heal someone, polymorph a creature to help someone kill the other (when there are 2 creatures attacking) stun this, stun that, buff this, buff that... And remember, I've only played to lvl13, so theres a lot more teamwork involved than I've said here, and that I know of. SCII coming out, WoW being introduced to eSports, hmm it's gonna be an interesting year. Last edited by at 26.06.2008, 01:07 ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
#23 26.06.2008, 01:14 Posts : 616 Member since : 20 May 07 | #21 So you use the skill and it "flies" alone to the enemy? It doesnt matter if he moves, it will chase him? The only Skill at WoW is to know the skills and magic combo and how to prevent them? And teamplay and item choose ofc? Is there anything besides that? Last edited by at 26.06.2008, 20:44 ______________________ ╦╦╦╦╦╦╦ The fence of the Ancients ╦╦╦╦╦╦╦ |
| StarCraft Editor #24 26.06.2008, 11:41 Posts : 1195 Member since : 29 Jun 06 | #23 basically in wow some skills can be cast even when your target is behind you, others have to be cast whileyour target is in front. skills have a certain range and different cast times so you have to time it well in order to successfuly cast, otherwise a pla also you cant spam attack skills, because you can break a cc(crowd control = sheep, cyclone, etc.), also every target can be cc-ed three times with same magic, after that it becomes immune. to make matters worse there are trinkets that cancel these effects, and certain spells/racial&class abilities. well there's alot of stuff to discuss, but just came here to discuss a bit the good sides of wow as this isnt necessarily a bad thing for esports in usa ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force. |
#26 29.06.2008, 08:48 Posts : 8 Member since : 02 Feb 08 | Personally, I wouldn't mind if WoW joined Extreme Masters.. but replacing a developed RTS scene with a fairly new RPG?! this is horrible! |
#27 29.06.2008, 18:40  Posts : 298 Member since : 25 Jan 08 | Dendra is right! i was playing Arena , before i have sold my Character , so i gonna say that you must not only to "hit your best spell or ability and use trinkets". my max Arena Rank was 2050 -_- ______________________ 4K will remain in memory as a legend! Justlittlestar[4K] |
#28 04.07.2008, 20:52  Posts : 484 Member since : 30 Dec 06 | WOW ISNT A E-SPORT GAME AND IT WONT BE ANYTIME ONE! Even Blizzard is against that thought! |
#29 04.07.2008, 21:31 Posts : 616 Member since : 20 May 07 | Quoting akatosch:Gimme a proof for that :D ______________________ ╦╦╦╦╦╦╦ The fence of the Ancients ╦╦╦╦╦╦╦ |
| StarCraft Editor #30 04.07.2008, 21:59 Posts : 1195 Member since : 29 Jun 06 | #28 errm, you do realise there are "games" listed in esports which are disgusting but they bring money so true gamers must put up with it ;) wow requires more skills than any of those "games" and it brings more money, so it's futile to fight against it :) just because people have prejudice towards wow doesnt mean wow really is that bad. anyhow, we wont see esports become a respectable thing in this world for a long time as money dictates who qualifies for WCG and what games are played there, not to mention money dictates what games are played at offline tournaments in general as games you love lack respect to prevail on the esports scene, newest example is WC3 which was so easily replaced by wow,as if years of participation in esports and large fanba ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force. |
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