Esport Poker League17.06.2008, 00:35 • written by Danny 'SirOrton' Orton • 4405 views
"Grubby -'pure fair player'"
"As a end of the Wc3l final, MYM got the first place and Mouz losed .But there is something happened in the match that I think most of you don't know
So, here is some words from Fly100%
The whole stroy is too long ,so , I just get to the point
If you want to see the whole one ,please check
http://bbs.replays.net/message/130087/130087874.html
(make sure your chinese is good enough >< )
"The first 22 match is on Avalanche, and as you know, I lose connection in the match .
The lucky thing is the match have been already saved before I dropped.
Then , our manager Lie found Grubby is watching the replay of the SAVE GAME
and it happened BEFORE we load the save game .
( you can find many evidences in other pla
Lie found the admin of WC3L , and Grubby's answer is ' I just watch only 2~3 mintues'.
And the admin told Lie he can not get any publishment on Gb...
I have been told this after the 22 game of LT, because Lie don't want to influence us.
I was shocked and I never thought Gb will do things like this .
They play really well on LT, and we have tried our best to fight .
Yes , we losed ，but I can not be reconciled.
Maybe next time , Grubby can win the match with a way more ' man '
When I started to play WC3,I often watch GB & Xiaot's replays ,and I got lots of help.
Even now ,Gb is still one the most great pla
But , I am sad.
( there is another suck things about Gb which happened in ROTK in Fly's stroy ,but I am tried to translate it ,and I am sure it will make some one unhappy.)
I am hurried to give this thread , so if there is some words or spell problems , forgave me T T"
Copied from SK-Forums - Originally posted by Windcat.
The reason for posting this here?
Simple, I wondered what normal people think of it, and by normal, I don't mean Sk-Gaming.com.
Replies (103)
StarCraft Editor       #91 22.06.2008, 18:39  Posts : 1172 Member since : 29 Jun 06 | i used cable as an example when you're young and immature, as you grow up you simply dont do it any more :) well some people never grow up but still, example was put in for the same reasons as the murder was, anyhow this is starting to spin in a circle - or im just dizzy cuz of +40 degrees in room>,< ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force. |
#92 22.06.2008, 18:54  Posts : 58 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | I feel the same way, this is getting very boring -_- The bottom line of this all: What he did is wrong, he apologized, and how much was he wrong depends on your level of tolerance. I think that these is good enough to close this discussion. It enough. Last edited by at 22.06.2008, 18:56 ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
#93 23.06.2008, 13:11 Posts : 2 Member since : 23 Jun 08 | Please don't doubt Vbadgirl's motive. Vbadgirl is a wonderful person in the world. She just tries to prove she is right. Just like you, you are trying to prove you are right. Let's make something clear here. 1. Th000 never watched the replay during the pause. Th000 told us himself in an interview.He's puzzled when Grubby said this. I trust Th000.Because China is a country where moral is highly valued. You can disagree with my logic. Anyway,it's a world advocating the freedom of speech. I don't think Grubby lied to us either. I bet he just guessed Th000 had watched the replay. I'm 100% sure he had never saw Th000 watching it. 2. Grubby used to have much more fans in China than any other country. He's very popular and his fans call him " the king of the Orcer". He did diappoint his fans in recent issues. I'd like to remind you again China is a country where moral is highly valued, which may outweigh victory of a match in certain sense. For examples, Chinese war3 pla 3. Someone argues that Grubby didn't break any rule.It's the organizers' fault. Hey, I don't think any rule would include: you can't watch the replay during the pause on the assumption that nobody is that naive to do that stupid thing. Should this rule be added in the rulebook? If so, the rulebook may be 1- metre high which nobody knows what it allows or forbids before refering to it. There are still many things ppl still haven't thought them out, such as: you can't caress a woman's breast when you are playing a game. you can't fuck youself while you are playing a game. you can't swear or shoot others when you lose blabla... 4. Last thing I want to remind you is that if everyone is doing this kind of "smart" things in the game, I guess nobody would watch games any more. 5. Grubby did a wrong thing. Nobody can doubt it. Anyway, you can't judge a person just because of a single incident. I forgive him and wait and see what he will behave in future. |
#94 23.06.2008, 16:36 Posts : 58 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | 1. About that incident with TH000 I have to trust you on that, because I wasn't there, and know a little about it. 2. About the China's high moral values, I knew that before, actually thats why I'm fascinated with that country. About Grubby's apology, he did say that he was wrong, what you're asking is just a different way to apology, but the bottom line here is that he did apologized. 3. Rules should be very specific, even if they have to be 5 meters long. If you do something that that is morally wrong and there is no rule about that, nobody can accuse you on breaking the rules, therefor you can't be punished. I think that thats why Grubby said that he didn't break any rules because people are mad because there was no punishment. About the examples you mentioned, there are no ESL rules about that, but there are other rules that don't allow such behavior. 4. I think I have to agree with you on this, because now days people care a lot more about the morally right things than the smart ones. 5. Completely agree on this. About BadGirl, I didn't doubt her motives, not even for a second. I'm well aware of the fact that she's a wonderful person, and I have huge respect for her. Last edited by at 23.06.2008, 16:42 ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
| StarCraft Editor #95 23.06.2008, 16:50 Posts : 1172 Member since : 29 Jun 06 | for #3 - im afraid edifice is completely right, you cant make rules for every little details, some things are just plain obvius - he used some good examples so i wont make the list any longer as it is obvius how long it can get ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force. |
#96 23.06.2008, 16:57 Posts : 58 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | I agree that there can't be rules for EVERY detail, but then how can someone be punished if it's not in the rulebook? In that case referees should decide about that, and they've decided not to punish him. Last edited by at 23.06.2008, 16:58 ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
#97 23.06.2008, 18:06 Posts : 2 Member since : 23 Jun 08 | Hey,BAKSUZ, nobody said Grubby should be punnished. I think people are mad at this issue mainly because they don't believe their idol would do such things. Even Fly said he didn't believe it. It is comprehensible. Those who are talented or/and handsome are often associated with "nice people", with saint's heart never making mistakes. So everyone was shocked when their image of a perfect man turned into ashes. It is conducted to Grubby if he can admit his mistakes pourly. I mean don't pick on others or other things at this moment ,when he after all made a mistake and his fans are still bewildered, others are still angry. Another thing I want to stress is that Grubby DON'T didn't break rules. When we say someone breaks rules or not, we at first should have rules. But the fact is that there are no such rules in wc3l. So it's nonsense saying Grubby didn't break rules. The question turns to whether it is necessary to add this rule to the rulebook. As I stated in my last post, IMHO, it's not necessary to add this obvious thing to the rulebook. Just as you can't add every potential dangers in an instructions leaflet of a product. (A cape with bat man's image on it needn't to say:you can't fly when you wear it, please don't jump down from skyscrapers.) Such things we have discussed for many times and reached a consistent conclusion. |
#98 23.06.2008, 18:10 Posts : 7 Member since : 27 Jan 08 | #95` it is really interesting watching you two debating ^^ |
| StarCraft Editor #99 23.06.2008, 19:02 Posts : 1172 Member since : 29 Jun 06 | #98 as it is always amusing for me to debate :) on this case however not with full force :D ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force. |
#100 23.06.2008, 19:04 Posts : 58 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | #99 me neither :P 100th post YEAH! ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
#101 23.06.2008, 19:12 Posts : 58 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | #97 again I have to agree with you, the reason why many are angry of him is maybe because of disappointment, the image of the perfect man is broken by his mistake, but he proved to be only a man, and nobody is perfect (please don't post "I'm nobody"). And yes, again I say that there can't be a rule for EVERY detail, but for details like that there are admins and referees who decide if it's a wrong thing or not. In this case, Grubby did the morally wrong thing as he stated, but the referees did not thought that it's a mistake for a punishment. Last edited by at 23.06.2008, 19:13 ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
#102 24.06.2008, 06:48 Posts : 7 Member since : 27 Jan 08 | #97 maybe you meant that Grubby should only apologize for what he had done without giving any other reasons, but I think it's both his right and responsibility to give us a complete picture of what had happened in the WC3l, it not only makes fans compare his statement with tailong's, but helps the match organizers improve their work. IMO he has done a great job but the only regret was that he didn't tell us the exact reason why he watched the replay. Last edited by at 24.06.2008, 07:13 |
#103 27.06.2008, 16:01 Posts : 7 Member since : 01 Apr 08 | should it have been punished?: probable was it punished?: no end. |
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