Esport Poker League17.06.2008, 00:35 • written by Danny 'SirOrton' Orton • 4474 views
"Grubby -'pure fair player'"
"As a end of the Wc3l final, MYM got the first place and Mouz losed .But there is something happened in the match that I think most of you don't know
So, here is some words from Fly100%
The whole stroy is too long ,so , I just get to the point
If you want to see the whole one ,please check
http://bbs.replays.net/message/130087/130087874.html
(make sure your chinese is good enough >< )
"The first 22 match is on Avalanche, and as you know, I lose connection in the match .
The lucky thing is the match have been already saved before I dropped.
Then , our manager Lie found Grubby is watching the replay of the SAVE GAME
and it happened BEFORE we load the save game .
( you can find many evidences in other pla
Lie found the admin of WC3L , and Grubby's answer is ' I just watch only 2~3 mintues'.
And the admin told Lie he can not get any publishment on Gb...
I have been told this after the 22 game of LT, because Lie don't want to influence us.
I was shocked and I never thought Gb will do things like this .
They play really well on LT, and we have tried our best to fight .
Yes , we losed ，but I can not be reconciled.
Maybe next time , Grubby can win the match with a way more ' man '
When I started to play WC3,I often watch GB & Xiaot's replays ,and I got lots of help.
Even now ,Gb is still one the most great pla
But , I am sad.
( there is another suck things about Gb which happened in ROTK in Fly's stroy ,but I am tried to translate it ,and I am sure it will make some one unhappy.)
I am hurried to give this thread , so if there is some words or spell problems , forgave me T T"
Copied from SK-Forums - Originally posted by Windcat.
The reason for posting this here?
Simple, I wondered what normal people think of it, and by normal, I don't mean Sk-Gaming.com.
Replies (103)
StarCraft Editor       #61 21.06.2008, 09:52  Posts : 1202 Member since : 29 Jun 06 | #45 sadly that is not possible, leading a normal conversation that is, i fully support grubby and when i grow up i want to be like him. i admire him greatly ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force. |
 #62 21.06.2008, 10:14  Posts : 64 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | Why the sudden change of heart? ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
| StarCraft Editor #63 21.06.2008, 11:26 Posts : 1202 Member since : 29 Jun 06 | #6 well after seeing what a great example he is to others i couldnt stop tears of joy out of sheer respect towards such a great historical personality, it really is something when you can inspire thousands across the world, i cant think of another name with same magnitude, perhaps angelina jolie but still, this is something special. ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force. |
#64 21.06.2008, 11:44  Posts : 17 Member since : 02 Feb 08 | Grats for making a fool out of yourself. |
| StarCraft Editor #65 21.06.2008, 12:03 Posts : 1202 Member since : 29 Jun 06 | pleasure is all mine..cheers m8, now i suggest you leave it be ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force. |
#66 21.06.2008, 12:27 Posts : 17 Member since : 02 Feb 08 | I would've if you didn't start it up again yourself. It was only a response you could've expected. But yes, lets leave it at this. |
#67 21.06.2008, 13:39  Posts : 259 Member since : 06 Jan 05 | I'm sickened with the amount of excuses ppl try to find for Grubby. Hey guess what! other ppl murder other ppl and get away with it also lets ALL kill one another now! What he did was morally wrong and nothing can change that. Last edited by at 21.06.2008, 13:48 ______________________ Hold the S cause i'm an AINT. |
#68 21.06.2008, 15:06 Posts : 64 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | Hey guess what! other ppl murder other ppl and get away with it also lets ALL kill one another now! Hey guess what! Murder is a crime, and against the law! ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
#69 21.06.2008, 15:42 Posts : 259 Member since : 06 Jan 05 | before being against the law it's morally wrong. the reason why it end up a law it's because the vast majority of people agreed upon this. That is wrong to take somebody else's live. what he did was a 'crime' too. no fair play and immoral. The thing which he did was simply wrong. No matter if he was winning or losing. No matter if others did it or not. It's still wrong no matter how you twist it around and it doesnt reduces the gravity of the situation. Perhaps you can't judge a whole person only upon a single incident but this this time his actions were simply disappointing. ______________________ Hold the S cause i'm an AINT. |
#70 21.06.2008, 16:16 Posts : 5 Member since : 08 Jun 05 | hey, and how about killing criminals in the name of the allmighty law? thats too bad thing to do, but nobody blame the law for that |
#71 21.06.2008, 16:34 Posts : 259 Member since : 06 Jan 05 | good point I guess. 2 wrongs doesn't makes one right. From my POV both are wrong but sure they blame the law. many states abolished the death penalty. and that is the sign that many ppl do blame the law for that. ______________________ Hold the S cause i'm an AINT. |
| StarCraft Editor #72 21.06.2008, 16:43 Posts : 1202 Member since : 29 Jun 06 | the whole issue of killing being good/bad is irrelevant here as it was only used as an example, obviusly - or perhaps not. ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force. |
#73 21.06.2008, 17:54 Posts : 64 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | I believe that what Grubby did is not a 'crime' because there are no rules (or are there?) that forbid this, so, to use your example, he didn't brake the law, nor killed anyone. I'm not twisting anything here, I'm simply stating my POV, which is that Grubby did a smart thing by watching the replay, did it helped or not I don't know, but if there is anyone to blame here then it's the admins for not making a rule about it. Grubby didn't do the wrong thing here, he did the smart thing for him and his team. Last edited by at 21.06.2008, 17:54 ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
#74 21.06.2008, 18:18 Posts : 259 Member since : 06 Jan 05 | He did a crime as long as it wasn't a moral thing to do. The first amendment allows you to have freedom of speech but it doesnt allows you to abuse it. It might be a fine line between law and bending the law the way you want it. Sure because of even law itself cannot cover all cases and that is why many murderers get away without facing any days in jail. But just because there is a flaw in the law system doesn't mean they didn't murder anymore or that they are innocent. Or perhaps you beg to differ? :). But I have a question for you. If he was so sure they will win why did he needed to watch the replay for? :). Maybe he wasn't that sure about his/their win and he felt the need to secure it? as far as i know many ppl complained and even members in MYM team weren't too happy about it so obviously he DID wrong otherwise everyone was happy and we weren't discussing this now. right? ______________________ Hold the S cause i'm an AINT. |
#75 21.06.2008, 18:43 Posts : 64 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | We're discussing this now because of different POV's. In your POV he did the wrong thing (morally only!), but in mine he did the smart thing. Anyways according to the law of WC3L he didn't committed a crime. As I said, if he did the wrong thing or not depends on peoples POV's. To answer your question: Maybe he was sure in the victory, and maybe he wanted to secure the victory, there is nothing wrong about that, or maybe he wanted to see something that he oversaw in the game, but about his mental state, and thoughts at the given time we can only speculate. ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
#76 21.06.2008, 18:50 Posts : 1 Member since : 21 Jun 08 | vbadgirl you are a certifiable whack job comparing this incident to murder and furthermore saying it was the worst thing one could do is pretty much lunacy you need mental treatment at the least you need a hobby beyond ppl bashing which you fail at as well and if watching 2-3 minutes into the game when the game is already over by all estimates qualifies as giving an unfair advantage then you should take a better look at your arguments your true motives are as transparent as well cut diamonds - its sucking up to th00s balls and your chinese buddies Last edited by at 21.06.2008, 18:54 |
#77 21.06.2008, 19:02 Posts : 64 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | Come on man, there is no need for bad manners, we can discuss this topic civilized :/ The game certainly wasn't over, it was interrupted, everything could have happened... And I think that her true motives here are to prove me and other wrong, and call me noob but I don't have a clue what TH000 has to do with this all :S ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
#78 21.06.2008, 19:47 Posts : 1 Member since : 09 Apr 06 | aww come on man. http://news.replays.net/page/20080621/ 1385150_3.html read it. apart from apologising for his immoral actions, he also went on to clear up the issues involving TH000 @ ROTK. (do note abt mentions of shoutcaster Tailong's blog <- shot himself in the leg by spouting nonsense in his blog which led to big repercussions. well~ releasing another entry to twist some nonsense the right way is not helping u either. so.. stay within ur jobscope bro =/) standing from a neutral POV, time to give both parties a break and back to love with the game itself. peace out =) really thought it was a good interview, cleared up some air, grub gave his feedback, his feelings on the competition and some of the pla Last edited by at 21.06.2008, 19:54 |
#79 21.06.2008, 20:03 Posts : 259 Member since : 06 Jan 05 | @ 75 yes I agree 2 POV different in their own perspective. We we are running in circle I believe. There are many ppl who committed crimes but got away because of a flaw in the system. still doesn't changes their status nor what they are. @76 it was only an example which came at the time. perhaps not the most inspired one but it did served it's purpose. The thing is and what bugs me is that if Lie wouldn't have spotted him doing it we would have watched it all. giving him a huge advantage over the other team. Again unfair. I don't see how TH000's incident with grubby had anything in common with this case apart from lagging. If the are indeed my buddies like you claim (which is true) I do not need to suck up to anybody. If you need to suck your friends balls to be friends with them then i pity you :) ______________________ Hold the S cause i'm an AINT. |
| StarCraft Editor #80 21.06.2008, 20:18 Posts : 1202 Member since : 29 Jun 06 | wasnt gonna bother but hell, some holes just need to be fixed. #73 the point is - laws are made after people see something is wrong and law is necessary to prevent it from happening again. so does this mean a murder is justified if no law sais it is immoral to do it? you as a human being hold certain responsibility and shouldnt need law to tell you right from wrong. you cant blame admins for every detail, forbidding watching replays is damn obvius just as it is obvius teammates cant walk to the opponent's PC - watch what he/she is doing- walk to their teammate playing and tell him what the other guy/girl is doing. some things are just morally wrong, you shouldnt need a specific rule in the first place this "foul act" reminds me of two common scenario - you play a friend in lan and start losing badly, you freak out and plug out his power cable...and 2nd scenario - you play 1v1 side by side and cant stop staring at your opponent's screen... yes both things are immoral but you are just not on a level high enough to respect such "rules" without the need of some "admin" warning you for misbehaviour. in time you learn losses come and go, plugging out cable wont solve anything, and in time you learn watching enemy's screen is "below the belt" and such victory is disgraceful. ofc this was just an example of some people i met in my life and ofc not all of them changed and yes, it was just used as a comparison to the whole case, just as vbadgirl used murder - it isnt the identical story but it help you see things more clearly. Last edited by at 21.06.2008, 20:20 ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force. |
#81 21.06.2008, 20:19 Posts : 64 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | OK, what have we learned from the interview and is related to this subject: Morally Grubby did the wrong thing, he apologized, we were given wrong info on this (I know that school is boring, trust me I do, but people, plz learn math), hmm :/ what else.. Oh yeah and the aircon was alright! #80 thanks for clearing that up for me! I think now would be a good time to close this. Last edited by at 21.06.2008, 20:26 ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
| StarCraft Editor #82 21.06.2008, 20:25 Posts : 1202 Member since : 29 Jun 06 | read interview, nice of grubby to apologize. ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force. |
#83 21.06.2008, 21:29 Posts : 5 Member since : 08 Jun 05 | http://www.mymym.com/en/news/ 13801.html#comments |
#84 22.06.2008, 14:54 Posts : 17 Member since : 02 Feb 08 | Comparing murder to watching a replay at the wrong time isn't really fair. While they both are morally wrong, there's a huge difference in how bad they are. It's like comparing murder to a small speeding ticket. Murder just cannot be forgiven, but speeding may, if given the right reasons. Same goes for watching a replay. |
| StarCraft Editor #85 22.06.2008, 15:20 Posts : 1202 Member since : 29 Jun 06 | #84 do you know what you're just doing? anything morally wrong is wrong is killing 100people worse than killing one man? the whole purpose of making such a comparison was to make it easier to understand, no reason to explain it further as it is obvius as it is. ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force. |
#86 22.06.2008, 15:49 Posts : 64 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | Again with the killings. Is killing one man worse than a speeding ticket? ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
| StarCraft Editor #87 22.06.2008, 16:16 Posts : 1202 Member since : 29 Jun 06 | ur missing the point- reason why murder was used in the first place is to make an example of something that is so morally wrong that anyone can see it because the bottom line here is that anything immoral is wrong, hence using something like that for an example is perfectly reasonable the fact that shival went to a different subject shows he didnt understand the purpose of it - it is as if i decided to ask you now - is murder in war justified, whereas shooting a random human on the street is not? that's a whole new topic and totally irrelevant to this case. Last edited by at 22.06.2008, 16:18 ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force. |
#88 22.06.2008, 16:24 Posts : 17 Member since : 02 Feb 08 | Anything morally wrong is wrong, entirely accurate. But there are levels of wrong. If I would hit you for being an ass (jk) it would be morally wrong, but surely not as wrong as killing you. Besides, what I was trying to explain was, if you're getting a speeding ticket but it was due to you needing to get to the hospital asap, it will be excused. If you're watching a replay while you're not supposed to be, but you're having a good reason, it might just be forgiven. (For example, misunderstanding as in thinking there will be a regame, instead of going on.) But there's no excuse for murdering. So to answer your question, I know exactly what I'm doing. And for your second question, yes it is. Just looking at the punishments for a serial killer and a single murder will consolidate my opinion, and apperantly it's the law's opinion aswell. |
#89 22.06.2008, 17:08 Posts : 7 Member since : 27 Jan 08 | after reading the interview in which Grubby explain the replay incident, I still can't find why Grubby chose to watch the replay, was it because he was so mad at the ROTK stuff and tried to take a revenge? |
#90 22.06.2008, 18:26 Posts : 64 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | Dendra you've mentioned earlier something about pulling the plug out of you opponent while playing.. Now that could be compared to murder. @ DevilWing: Maybe he wanted to be more sure in the victory, basic human behavior if you ask me, but we can't know for sure. As I've said, it's only a thing that we can speculate about, and I seriously doubt that Grubby did it because of what you've mentioned, but its still possible, everything is. Last edited by at 22.06.2008, 18:27 ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
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