Esport Poker League17.06.2008, 00:35 • written by Danny 'SirOrton' Orton • 4399 views
"Grubby -'pure fair player'"
"As a end of the Wc3l final, MYM got the first place and Mouz losed .But there is something happened in the match that I think most of you don't know
So, here is some words from Fly100%
The whole stroy is too long ,so , I just get to the point
If you want to see the whole one ,please check
http://bbs.replays.net/message/130087/130087874.html
(make sure your chinese is good enough >< )
"The first 22 match is on Avalanche, and as you know, I lose connection in the match .
The lucky thing is the match have been already saved before I dropped.
Then , our manager Lie found Grubby is watching the replay of the SAVE GAME
and it happened BEFORE we load the save game .
( you can find many evidences in other pla
Lie found the admin of WC3L , and Grubby's answer is ' I just watch only 2~3 mintues'.
And the admin told Lie he can not get any publishment on Gb...
I have been told this after the 22 game of LT, because Lie don't want to influence us.
I was shocked and I never thought Gb will do things like this .
They play really well on LT, and we have tried our best to fight .
Yes , we losed ，but I can not be reconciled.
Maybe next time , Grubby can win the match with a way more ' man '
When I started to play WC3,I often watch GB & Xiaot's replays ,and I got lots of help.
Even now ,Gb is still one the most great pla
But , I am sad.
( there is another suck things about Gb which happened in ROTK in Fly's stroy ,but I am tried to translate it ,and I am sure it will make some one unhappy.)
I am hurried to give this thread , so if there is some words or spell problems , forgave me T T"
Copied from SK-Forums - Originally posted by Windcat.
The reason for posting this here?
Simple, I wondered what normal people think of it, and by normal, I don't mean Sk-Gaming.com.
Replies (103)
  #31 19.06.2008, 11:20  Posts : 3 Member since : 28 Jun 07 | #26 proved editors have better sense and stronger argument than common peopleXD Some kids here are lacking basic moral sense. |
#32 19.06.2008, 12:09 Posts : 7 Member since : 27 Jan 08 | #31 are you the leader of the heimuya? cuz the photo is familiar to me in RN~ XD |
#33 19.06.2008, 12:40 Posts : 3 Member since : 28 Jun 07 | #32 Nope. I happen to see this photo in replays.net and I think it's a geat image of moon. Look at this, moon seems like a guy from higher dimension. The dreamy eyes are showing his superior mental energy. |
Senior StarCraft Editor      #35 19.06.2008, 13:38  Posts : 637 Member since : 13 Jun 06 | #30 i wasn't referring to your post; as for your post, thats not what i understood. but yea that's what i was talking about so it's good you cleared that for me. ______________________ I'll be nicer when you're smarter. |
#36 19.06.2008, 17:29 Posts : 3 Member since : 11 Jan 05 | lol mymym vhallee, learn to read before you comment. Your understanding of words is from an 8 years old. |
#37 19.06.2008, 17:38  Posts : 2 Member since : 05 Apr 07 | 1) I don't really know, many pla 2) Grubby admitted that he watched replay (also i don't think that it could be called cheating in full meaning of that word, cuz I hate any maphackers and want them to die). So Gb admitted his actions and the only thing that he could do is to wait for the referee desicion. Of course MYM management protected Grubby, it's their work, Mouz manager fought for mouz and it is natural. So MYM won this referee desicion fight. Grubby wasn't sure were his actions so bad to give the match to mouz for that. The one man that could be sure is referee. So what Manuel should do? Should he say "Yeah, they right i'm cheater, let us give them the first place?" No, he couldn't do such a thing, cuz he couldn't talk from the name of all team, all management. So, mouz manager failed to protect her team, so she choosed to better start shitty flame on the internet. |
#38 19.06.2008, 19:08  Posts : 58 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | The bottom line is: Grubby did watched that replay, the referees didn't thought of it as a big deal, so they didn't do anything about it. On the moral side Grubby did the wrong thing, but he admitted it so he probably didn't thought of it as cheating at the time. The best moral that Manuel could have done is to demand some punishments for the actions he did, but he had to think about the team, all the hard work the other guys done, all the time spent in improving, all the sacrifices they made to come there. He couldn't do the morally and bring the team in danger. He sure as hell feels bad about it now, even without all your flaming. :O The bottom line of the bottom line is that Manuel made a mistake. End of story! GG Close thread! Last edited by at 19.06.2008, 19:24 ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
#39 19.06.2008, 20:31 Posts : 2 Member since : 05 Mar 08 | 2 Minutes of a replay really isnt much. I figure the opposition had the same opportunity. |
#40 19.06.2008, 21:39 Posts : 5 Member since : 08 Jun 05 | the wc3l admin SHAW writted something about this on sk-forums, check it, its better then poorly translated text from chineese forum and its without emotion as well my personal opinion, mb it wasnt right, but mb it wasnt nothing bad, like you would walk cross the street without cars and without bothering, which color, green or red, would be on stoplight if someone have seen only 2 mins from the game, its not enought to know what would the game look like in 10 minutes its only missunderstanding, just hope so and dendra&vhallee + other hatters, i dont really know, how can some hatters like you know much more about grubby, than his fans, really, i just wonder |
| StarCraft Editor #41 19.06.2008, 21:51  Posts : 1170 Member since : 29 Jun 06 | grubby is my idol Last edited by at 20.06.2008, 14:14 ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force. |
#42 19.06.2008, 22:58  Posts : 17 Member since : 02 Feb 08 | I didn't expect this from Mymym's own crew... Sure, they don't have to be biased towards MyM, but hell, complete (unjustful) bashing of a pla |
#43 19.06.2008, 23:23  Posts : 1 Member since : 29 Sep 07 | This is funny to read, but you wont reach anything with it. To bad head admins wont take this serious (mostly). ______________________ Every dream has a beginning |
#44 20.06.2008, 08:37 Posts : 5 Member since : 08 Jun 05 | "grubby lost his credibility" dissagree, he never lost it its your mistake, not his failure, remember |
| StarCraft Editor #45 20.06.2008, 13:02 Posts : 1170 Member since : 29 Jun 06 | grubby is my idol Last edited by at 20.06.2008, 14:13 ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force. |
#46 20.06.2008, 13:36 Posts : 17 Member since : 02 Feb 08 | #45 Entirely misunderstood my point, if you read my post carefully you will see I am also supporting freedom of speech. That doesn't mean you can spout your opinions freely without consequence. While you are part of some organisation it tends to work best if you keep these harsh opinions for yourself, it's in the best interest for yourself (your job) and obviously the organisation as a whole. It's more professional and, in your words, shows you have some manner. You are a part of the same crew, that brings responsibilities. Secondly, I don't need anyone to think highly of Grubby, as I myself have stated before it surely wasn't a good thing what he has done. But basing his entire nature on TWO occasions is not very ob It's not the mistake that reveals their nature, it's how they act upon it. Edit: Guess my last sentence tends to lean towards the bad side for you Dendra, editing your post like that is childish. Last edited by at 20.06.2008, 15:03 |
#47 20.06.2008, 13:55 Posts : 58 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | Shival for Nobel prize! ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
#48 20.06.2008, 14:06  Posts : 11 Member since : 23 Jun 07 | #29 he mite have thoguth the game was gonan be replayed/restarted not resumed from the saved place |
#49 20.06.2008, 14:15 Posts : 11 Member since : 23 Jun 07 | how come sky can get away from such things and grubby cant? they are 2 different ppl from 2 different cultures, grubby is a bit arrogant and chinese are to proud to admit taht china has problems with itself. anyway i still like grubby i dun care wut ppl say, yes he did dissapoint me a bit, maybe the map should have been replayed but losign the clan war... i dun think so |
| Coverage Staff #50 20.06.2008, 14:28  Posts : 11 Member since : 19 Jul 07 | Stop judging Grubby. It one of the best pla |
#51 20.06.2008, 14:46 Posts : 2 Member since : 05 Mar 08 | In response to SIRZ: That is because he is rated #1 in the world, so everyone seems to pay much more attention to him than anyone else; thus more criticism. I agree with toad, this thread needs to close and just let Grub do what he has to do. |
#52 20.06.2008, 15:51 Posts : 7 Member since : 27 Jan 08 | "It's not the mistake that reveals their nature, it's how they act upon it." hey I like this ^_^ |
#53 20.06.2008, 16:19  Posts : 2 Member since : 05 Mar 07 | Respect to vhallee for stating what is right, even though he's mymym crew. It's plain and simple, Grubby shouldn't have done it. Grubby loses fans. Easy. |
| Proofreader #54 20.06.2008, 17:06  Posts : 31 Member since : 22 May 07 | vf|icedagger the only thing that I agree with in your post is that grubby shouldn't have done it. It's not easy, and he's hardly losing any fans because of this. He's not the first one to be found doing it on this case and there are no rules that forbid this. Play to win, fairplay is a fairytale more or less. |
#55 20.06.2008, 18:47 Posts : 58 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | There are no rules that forbid it?! Than how can you guys judge a man for being smart?! ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
#56 20.06.2008, 20:36  Posts : 61 Member since : 19 Oct 06 | ^ It's kinda bad manners :O mb just wait 4 Grubby's statement...Would clarify the things imo |
#57 20.06.2008, 22:15 Posts : 5 Member since : 27 Feb 08 | Who cares. Arguing isn't gonna make me any better. Back to practicing |
#58 21.06.2008, 07:16 Posts : 3 Member since : 28 Jun 07 | so joyful why did you post this? #50 need some logic #45 plz stick on this thread. save your words for the fanboyshouse. |
#59 21.06.2008, 07:35  Posts : 1 Member since : 05 Jun 07 | zzz dont act like grubby is the only one who does these things. i seriously think some chinese pla |
#60 21.06.2008, 09:41 Posts : 58 Member since : 31 Jan 08 | Get over it Indeed! Grubby's act wasn't cheating, since it isn't against the rules. And I've changed mind about the moral point of view, Grubby didn't do the wrong thing here, nobody stoped mouz from watching the same replay, so how can you all attack him for being smarter than others? Maybe Manuel had the time to read the rules and he knew that there isn't any preventing this? Bottom line: Grubby did a smart thing, not the wrong thing, and I respect him even more about it! ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com |
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