"Grubby -'pure fair player'"

"As a end of the Wc3l final, MYM got the first place and Mouz losed .
But there is something happened in the match that I think most of you don't know
So, here is some words from Fly100%

The whole stroy is too long ,so , I just get to the point
If you want to see the whole one ,please check
http://bbs.replays.net/message/130087/130087874.html
(make sure your chinese is good enough >< )

"The first 22 match is on Avalanche, and as you know, I lose connection in the match .
The lucky thing is the match have been already saved before I dropped.
Then , our manager Lie found Grubby is watching the replay of the SAVE GAME
and it happened BEFORE we load the save game .
( you can find many evidences in other player and reporter ）

Lie found the admin of WC3L , and Grubby's answer is ' I just watch only 2~3 mintues'.
And the admin told Lie he can not get any publishment on Gb...

I have been told this after the 22 game of LT, because Lie don't want to influence us.
I was shocked and I never thought Gb will do things like this .
They play really well on LT, and we have tried our best to fight .
Yes , we losed ，but I can not be reconciled.
Maybe next time , Grubby can win the match with a way more ' man '

When I started to play WC3,I often watch GB & Xiaot's replays ,and I got lots of help.
Even now ,Gb is still one the most great players in my heart.
But , I am sad.

( there is another suck things about Gb which happened in ROTK in Fly's stroy ,but I am tried to translate it ,and I am sure it will make some one unhappy.)
I am hurried to give this thread , so if there is some words or spell problems , forgave me T T"

Copied from SK-Forums - Originally posted by Windcat.

The reason for posting this here?
Simple, I wondered what normal people think of it, and by normal, I don't mean Sk-Gaming.com.

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Replies (103)

 

 MrGekko

#1 17.06.2008, 01:52 Posts : 10 Member since : 21 Jan 05

don't think it made a difference tbh

 

 myMYM|genozstriker

Editor #2 17.06.2008, 02:53 Posts : 69 Member since : 07 May 07

Honestly would anyone mind telling me what 2-3 minutes ingame replay that already happen is gonna help? You don't know your opponents location, how many recourse your opponents have or better yet you don't even know what is gonna happen next. You can never know what will next. WC3 ladder is so hard to predict especially a 2v2 game. Fly just needs a reason to be mad for losing the 2v2. Maybe instead of telling grubby that he should play like a man he should just accept the lost like a Man. Grubby watching a 2-3minute ingame replay doesn't change the fact that MYM beat SK, MYM lost to mouseport, MYM defeated SK, and then defeated mouseport 2x in a row. It was 1 incident of one game, of 2-3 minute in game replay out of probably +20games and +200 minutes against mouseport. Wow seriously there are better reasons to get mad for losing the Grubby. Mouseport parting ways with Sase, Yumiko bad performance or Mouseports bad 2v2 team. Last edited by at 17.06.2008, 03:31 ______________________ Participate in Dota Charity event. myspace.com/dotaforkids

 

 SirZ

#3 17.06.2008, 04:37 Posts : 11 Member since : 23 Jun 07

ya blame it on mouz's 2on2

 

 G-Dy

#4 17.06.2008, 10:08 Posts : 3 Member since : 18 Jan 06

If i remind correctly, during ROTK when there was a similair delay between Grubby's and Th000's 1v1 the whole wNv-crew used the time watching the replay of the game and discussing it (I think Cassandra wrote this in her blog). So maybe Grubby thought "If other's are allowed to do it, why shouldn't I?". Anyway, regardless if this were only ~2 mins and useful or not, I think this should be strictly forbidden by the admins. A game is basically supposed to play from start to the end without any break - and if a break can't be avoided player's should not get any help "outside" the game.

 

 RESTINPEE

#5 17.06.2008, 10:38 Posts : 454 Member since : 16 Jan 07

A pro is considered to have complete map overview at all times (know whats going on or scout :/). Therefore I don't think that 2-3 minutes of watching the replay were that enhancing for Grubby's play. Nonetheless it's completely retarded to allow the analysis of an ongoing game ... But as long as it isn't forbidden people will continue using that 'feature'

 

 GoaT

#6 17.06.2008, 10:51 Posts : 257 Member since : 17 Dec 05

New rule coming up ______________________ Nine Vires Nors

 

 Contrail

#7 17.06.2008, 11:16 Posts : 8 Member since : 05 Jan 07

I don't think this is as bad as Sky watching Gostops replays at WCG (to see how to counter perfectly) or Fly100% attacking taiwan players at WCG or th000 discussing his game with team mates vs Grubby @ Rotk when his computer crashed and then resuming it without warning. Or many tournaments where the home town can hear and understand the commentators describing the game as it happens while the other person can not. Who knows why Grubby watched the start of the match on avalanche. Maybe he thought the game would be replayed as this is what usually happens when a stream crashes. Obviously it was a pretty silly thing to do especially considering how upset many people were with the favourites SK and WE all being knocked out early and only Fly100% being supported. Stupid thing for Grubby to do, I'm sure he didnt want to upset Fly100% or the fans there. Hopefully he will apologise as you would expect a mature person to do, regardless of how harmless it was. Last edited by at 17.06.2008, 11:18

 

 tEStyrre

#8 17.06.2008, 12:40 Posts : 1 Member since : 30 Apr 07

im pretty sure grubby can explain this. I dont think he did it to take some kind of advantage. He's not a cheater.

 

 GKoOBaKsuZ

#9 17.06.2008, 12:48 Posts : 57 Member since : 31 Jan 08

Can't say I'm not disappointed. :( Sure hope Grubby will explain this. ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com

 

 myMYM|nebu

WC3 Editor #10 17.06.2008, 13:03 Posts : 110 Member since : 24 Jun 07

i dont think it woulda make any difference, he AND fly knew as well what the other dude was up to, how the fights went and so on.. and fly coulda watched it as well i dont think anyone woulda stopped him so whatever.. ______________________ turn on, tune in, drop out..

 

 myMYM|genozstriker

Editor #11 17.06.2008, 15:23 Posts : 69 Member since : 07 May 07

#10 True to that. This was simply Lie walking into enemy territory when he should have been busy with his players and catching grubby. Who knows while everyone was arguing Yumiko or Fly could have been watching the replay as well. Only problem is that since they caught grubby everyone was hung over on him and one was keeping an eye on them. But what ever we will hear soon from them. Last edited by at 17.06.2008, 16:07 ______________________ Participate in Dota Charity event. myspace.com/dotaforkids

 

 xbokser

#12 17.06.2008, 15:36 Posts : 31 Member since : 30 Nov 07

#10 Fly has manners to not watch replays of games that still are going on grubby doesn't. ______________________ No money in my pocket and a mind full of hate!

 

 moska

#13 17.06.2008, 15:49 Posts : 5 Member since : 21 Jan 06

i lol at random noobs saying it doesnt matter to watch 2~3 mins do u realize u can see what units the enemy is making , how much gold he has if he is holding upkeep towers placement etc in less than 30 secs?

 

 myMYM|Dendra

StarCraft Editor #14 17.06.2008, 15:52 Posts : 1162 Member since : 29 Jun 06

grubby is my idol Last edited by at 20.06.2008, 14:14 ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force.

 

 Shival

#15 17.06.2008, 18:59 Posts : 17 Member since : 02 Feb 08

Moska, you're forgetting Grubby has already seen what they were making and were doing, there's something called scouting... While it is very unprofessional, and plain stupid, he probably didn't get any advantage by watching it whatsoever. Don't forget fly100% isn't such a nice guy either, remember the WCG incident with taiwan. Therefore I don't think he should be acting like he's some good and honest person, as if he's more "manly" than Grubby. Atleast I hope Grubby will show some courage and explain what his motivations were to watch the replay.

 

 LoOpiNg

#16 17.06.2008, 19:08 Posts : 1 Member since : 23 Apr 06

Whether he got an advantage or not is not relevant. Watching a saved game that is going to be continued immediately after is cheating and that was the deciding game too. I'm not saying it would have made a difference, but it says a lot about grubby's character. Last edited by at 17.06.2008, 19:09

 

 SirOrton

#17 17.06.2008, 19:11 Posts : 6 Member since : 29 May 07

Agree with #16.

 

 myMYM|genozstriker

Editor #18 17.06.2008, 19:55 Posts : 69 Member since : 07 May 07

Well nothing can be done now. MYM still walks away with the title seeing as beside this incident they still worked hard to win and you can't punish others for one thing grubby did. Continue arguing on this subject would just be pointless. Last edited by at 17.06.2008, 19:56 ______________________ Participate in Dota Charity event. myspace.com/dotaforkids

 

 roflmaoownzorgg

#19 17.06.2008, 20:44 Posts : 1 Member since : 09 May 08

Everybody do what "referees" don't see, or what "referees" dont complain about. Simple like that, if u do what u shoudn't then u will be a retard. And then whats up when u are a retard? The answer is: nothing, u win the game u take the trophy and u count it as a gg. Welcome to the present, the past and the future.

 

 luvstyle

#20 18.06.2008, 13:14 Posts : 7 Member since : 17 Jul 06

nice nubby, first he hides three times from fly he could easily face on lt. than he cheats to beat a 2n2 team which is hardly prepared. top-player, not.

 

 tangky

#21 18.06.2008, 13:58 Posts : 1 Member since : 18 Jun 08

I dont think 3 min in 8x speed is not enough

 

 xpr1mnt

#22 18.06.2008, 16:23 Posts : 2 Member since : 05 Apr 07

Why the hell are you talking so sure when you don't know the whole situation? "Fly have manners", "Grubby's character", "Chinese fans will hate Grubby for that". Hey, what do you know about fly's or grubby's character? Did you married them? It sounds like bullshit. If you're so stupid to think that there're sinless angels on Earth, then in what a fantasy world do you live? Look at the mirror, don't you think Jesus in a flesh is standing there?

 

 MaskiraniaBonus

#23 18.06.2008, 17:33 Posts : 1 Member since : 06 Feb 08

nubby sux

 

 devilwing

#24 18.06.2008, 17:52 Posts : 7 Member since : 27 Jan 08

In the opinions of most Chinese, it was a moral thing rather than a technical one. I think maybe Grubby needs to make a public apology.

 

 dingma1

#25 18.06.2008, 18:40 Posts : 1 Member since : 25 Mar 08

The actions of other players in the past don't justify what Grubby has done. If he so chooses to commit these questionable actions, then he undermined his own credibility about his complaints before, and will have no right to complain about them in the future. He "sank to their level", so to speak.

 

 myMYM|Dendra

StarCraft Editor #26 19.06.2008, 03:40 Posts : 1162 Member since : 29 Jun 06

grubby is my idol Last edited by at 20.06.2008, 14:15 ______________________ If force won't work, use greater force.

 

 Lies1

#27 19.06.2008, 07:56 Posts : 6 Member since : 29 Mar 08

If its not illegal, who gives a fuck. Hes playing by the rules, so get over it. and stop crying? and please dont sit on a forum talking about a professional warcraft players character, hes a human being. Every professional loses his professionalism at some point, and im not saying he did here. Im saying that it happens, because hes human.

 

 GKoOBaKsuZ

#28 19.06.2008, 08:52 Posts : 57 Member since : 31 Jan 08

Yeah, indeed, he's a human, he makes mistakes! And stop attacking him, like you're so prefect! And btw, if the referees didn't do anything, they must have had a reason not to do it, cuz believe it our not, the referees know much better than you. On the moral side, I personally think that what Grubby did is wrong, but hey, like I never made a mistake. Last edited by at 19.06.2008, 08:52 ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com

 

 myMYM|vhallee

Senior StarCraft Editor #29 19.06.2008, 10:09 Posts : 630 Member since : 13 Jun 06

roflmao! this is not about a mistake, how can you possibly assume he ACCIDENTALLY did this? loool and yea basically #26 said it for me... skill would not save your reputation all the time. and #27: "Every professional loses his professionalism at some point" are you fuckin kidding me? do you think all players are deemed to become corrupt stars? looool. (oh and btw you're kinda contradicting yourself, but i wanted to take this piece out of your comment). its not about mistakes, its about ethics... doing something like this is just so low... Last edited by at 19.06.2008, 13:34 ______________________ I'll be nicer when you're smarter.

 

 GKoOBaKsuZ

#30 19.06.2008, 11:13 Posts : 57 Member since : 31 Jan 08

Who said that he accidentally did it? I've said that he made a mistake by watching the replay, I didn't say that he accidentally double clicked on the wrong replay -.-' ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com

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