MYM Talent Cup?

First of all, thank you for even klicking on this, maybe confusing, topic. Also I would like to remind you that I'm no native speaker therefor typos or even grammatical issues are preassigned.


Let's finally come to what this topic is all about. When I was browsing the web lately, I could see a lot of things that MYM does to support the games like DotA and WC, and also the huge influence MYM has on the gaming scene. So I was asking myself why doesn't MYM host a Young Talent Cup for WC3. Doing something like this would benefit the young talents who just don't get any attention due to bad luck or anything similar to that. MYM would also get an advantage since the players who want to participate in this cup would have to register first. Those registrations would help the hit-counter and satisfy the sponsor ( I don't actually know how this works but I guess it's a lot about how popular your website is ).
Of course I know the big issue with hosting such a huge Cup is first of all the spaces on how many players should be allowed to play in it. Another important fact would be the volunteers who are able to actually manage the cup. A fairly easy-to-solve problem would be how to organise the cup since you could use the layout from PGL08 ( of course you would need to edit the upperbracket and lowerbracket but the system itself would be perfect ).


So my question is why doesn't MYM actually do anything like this or did they already try to host something THAT big without any success.


FAQ:

1. Q:What does the player get if he manages to win the cup?
A: I'm not quite sure if MYM gets some mousepads from steel series or anything like that, but I would say an interview on the MYM Frontpage + some other well known scene-sites would be the perfect start to a "progamer" career.


2. Q: How do we, MYM, benefit from this cup since it would be a tremendous effort?
A: To be really honest MYM wouldn't benefit THAT much compared to the player winning the cup but I still think that those new registered users and the increase of klicks per day should satisfy the sponsors and therefor make the leaders or managers of MYM happy :D


3. Q: You know how many people you need to do something like that? And it isn't even easy since you need a lot of freetime to be able to manage this cup properly.
A: I really do know this. This may be the biggest problem there is. But I honestly believe that there are a lot of volunteers, with the ability to be perfect admins, willing to sacrifice their freetime for the sake of the game and e-sports itself.


4. Q: How exactly would you see to it that only "talents" played in the cup and not players who already are big names?
A: First of all thank you for your review. I already thought about something like this. The problem with wc3 is that you don't have any guid like for example in CS or CS:S. One way to solve it could be that you just have to trust the players that they aren't "big" names in the scene already. Another way could be to use their MYM-Account and checking if the IPs are matching with any account which has already been created in the past. The problem with this method could be the security-aspect and how far MYM is actually willing to go. Other than that I sadly don't know how to separate the "talents" from the "already-more-known" players. But I ensure you that I'm working on the solution of this problem.


5. Q: And how do you classify players as talents?
A: Okay this what I thought about: First of all you make this cup extremly large like for example with 256 open spots. Every game which is played with this many players would be using the K.O.-System, meaning that if one player loses his game he will be eliminated. You could continue this game until there are only the best 64 or 32 players left. This is when the PGL-System could be of use. You make those games a BO3. When there are only the last 8 left, you simply make it a BO5.
Positive: You make this cup accesable for a whole lot of users which is the idea behind this cup.
Negative: Managing this cup especially in the early stages would be a lot of work, which means that quite many volunteers would be needed.


FAQ are yet to be improved if there are any questions left since I could just come up with those myself.



EDIT://FAQ have been updated! Thanks to all who replied to this journal


Also I would love to see how the responsible persons think about this proposal.


Thank you for reading through my ( maybe ) retarded Journal.

Sincerely yours,
laskAMAZING

 

Replies (30)

 

 myMYM|kausiNho

Coverage Staff #1 17.06.2008, 06:13 Posts : 10 Member since : 06 Sep 06

i like idea :) ______________________ Duarte " KAUS " Martins

 

 myMYM|Elven_Star

Editor #2 17.06.2008, 07:56 Posts : 144 Member since : 23 Nov 06

Nice idea and you're English is really good, btw ;) ______________________ Elen sila lumenn omentilmo

 

 myMYM|genozstriker

Editor #3 17.06.2008, 08:44 Posts : 102 Member since : 07 May 07

:D +1 for this idea. ______________________ Enjoy playing dota? Check out Demigod at "Demigodthegame.com

 

 KPicyF

#4 17.06.2008, 11:28 Posts : 471 Member since : 10 Feb 05

How exactly would you see to it that only "talents" played in the cup and not players who already are big names? And how do you classify players as talents? Apart from those two unanswered questions, this is a nice idea =) ______________________ How do you do, my name is Trouble.

 

 GKoOBaKsuZ

#5 17.06.2008, 12:45 Posts : 64 Member since : 31 Jan 08

Very nice idea. ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com

 

 SpaNkinG

#6 17.06.2008, 12:47 Posts : 5 Member since : 13 May 07

mb the participiants should be 16 or younger like me))!

 

 laskAMAZING

#7 17.06.2008, 16:49 Posts : 19 Member since : 17 May 08

I updated the FAQ-Section. Thank you for your positive feedback =)

 

 GKoOBaKsuZ

#8 17.06.2008, 17:31 Posts : 64 Member since : 31 Jan 08

The gaming community needs events like this. ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com

 

 4KFXythical

#9 17.06.2008, 17:41 Posts : 15 Member since : 23 Jan 08

Nice shit!

 

 laskAMAZING

#10 17.06.2008, 21:33 Posts : 19 Member since : 17 May 08

Oh well, it seems like there aren't even enough interested players registered on this page so why should the managers even think about supporting it =(

 

 underatker

#11 17.06.2008, 21:39 Posts : 44 Member since : 26 Apr 08

good idea

 

 myMYM|bMh

Coverage Staff #12 17.06.2008, 22:54 Posts : 124 Member since : 12 Aug 07

You have zotac and xlo cup etc...

 

 Malystryx

#13 17.06.2008, 23:40 Posts : 8 Member since : 15 Jan 05

the mym forums aren't particularly active so its perhaps not the best play to attract interest. In terms of your idea, if the prizes are a mousemat/headset thats fine, the problem is the moment money is involved (zotac/incup) then top players will come in and own all your "talent". Determining what is "talent" is hard, many mid-level players who play in for example WPL/NGl-Two would love more tournaments to practise in i'm sure. So the term "big name" is hard to define, some people are big names through their attitude more than their skill. "Talent" I would assume would have to be non NGL/WC3L but the tier 2 leagues in order to get any kind of interest. If even WPL etc.. are "banned", it would essentially be a "tournament for noobs", why bother with all this effort, they have ZOTAC already. However the main issue is TIme, why would MYM want to put so much time/effort into a tournament that holds no prize money when they could be spending it on MYM Prime Defending or something similar. Elfi made his name in ZOTAC, and I'm sure many others could follow, its good enough for upcoming "talent", big names in their mean they get in good practise vs top level opponents, so they step up their game. If you remove the top players saying "nono your too good, you cant play here" its a bit of a joke really, but as I said if it was just some hardware prize, most "good" players will have it from sponsors so will have no reason to play. Apologies if this is really long =/ ______________________ Lawrence "SK.Malystryx" Phillips ~ SK Gaming

 

 Vello

#14 18.06.2008, 05:04 Posts : 47 Member since : 08 Apr 06

count me in for the management :) ______________________ tw.gg-game.com // EsM-Vello.eXtreMe

 

 Trithis

#15 18.06.2008, 06:29 Posts : 1 Member since : 18 Jun 08

This is a excellent idea. i wish to see this ______________________ I want to go to the top

 

 GKoOBaKsuZ

#16 18.06.2008, 09:11 Posts : 64 Member since : 31 Jan 08

I agree with Malystryx on this. If a tournament like this would be organized a pro would come and beat everybody, and if you forbid pro's to play (which is indeed funny) what's preventing them from participating with a different name :S ______________________ www.Four-Kings.com

 

 myMYM|frequency-

DotA Scene Editor #17 18.06.2008, 10:32 Posts : 86 Member since : 18 Nov 07

100% agree with mali, very good reply! ______________________ <ROMANIAMAFIA> and i want to masturabate to Visarka's voice

 

 laskAMAZING

#18 18.06.2008, 13:17 Posts : 19 Member since : 17 May 08

Thank you for your replys and especially Malystryx. In this post I will try to solve the problems you mentioned in your post. 1.In terms of your idea, if the prizes are a mousemat/headset thats fine, the problem is the moment money is involved (zotac/incup) then top players will come in and own all your "talent". there won't be any money involved to avoid pros joining this cup. I already thought about it and that's why I mentioned mousepads etc as prizes. 2.Determining what is "talent" is hard, many mid-level players who play in for example WPL/NGl-Two would love more tournaments to practise in I'm sure. So the term "big name" is hard to define, some people are big names through their attitude more than their skill. "Talent" I would assume would have to be non NGL/WC3L but the tier 2 leagues in order to get any kind of interest. Totally agree here. That's exactly what I was thinking about. Thank you for your definition. 3.If even WPL etc.. are "banned", it would essentially be a "tournament for noobs", why bother with all this effort, they have ZOTAC already. WPL won't be banned if I would manage the cup even though it's up to those hosting it ( or not hosting it :P ). 4.However the main issue is TIme, why would MYM want to put so much time/effort into a tournament that holds no prize money when they could be spending it on MYM Prime Defending or something similar. To be honest I don't get this one. You say hosting a cup without getting any money from it, is just not worth it. I totally disagree in this point. This cup would be something like a charity or a tribute to the scene and especially to those who need it the most. If you are a pro, it's totally easy to join a professional team. Therefore this cup isn't about the material prizes you will get if you win, it's more about becoming famous ( interview with myMYM and your name on the frontpages of some of the most important scene-pages since anything that MYM does, has a huge influence on the scene ). Also MYM wouldn't spend that much time with it since most of this tournament would be managed by the volunteers. 5.If you remove the top players saying "nono your too good, you cant play here" its a bit of a joke really, but as I said if it was just some hardware prize, most "good" players will have it from sponsors so will have no reason to play. Totally agree with you again I hope this solved all the problems stated till now Last edited by laskAMAZING at 18.06.2008, 13:24

 

 Malystryx

#19 18.06.2008, 15:29 Posts : 8 Member since : 15 Jan 05

This cup would be something like a charity or a tribute to the scene and especially to those who need it the most. " MYM is an e-sports business, not a charity foundation :D "Also MYM wouldn't spend that much time with it since most of this tournament would be managed by the volunteers. " Even if the volunteers were completely seperate from MYM they'd still be using the mym site, thus representing MYM in some capacity. MYM would want to have experienced people not random volunteers :D ______________________ Lawrence "SK.Malystryx" Phillips ~ SK Gaming

 

 laskAMAZING

#20 18.06.2008, 15:40 Posts : 19 Member since : 17 May 08

MYM is an e-sports business, not a charity foundation :D isn't exactly what I wanted to say. Of course MYM is all about e-sport business but I think gaining reputation and therefore not only satisfying sponsors but maybe getting new ones due to the popularity of this cup will be a huge plus for the management. Also as I wrote earlier, people would have to register on myMYM.com which could be important for the sponsors ( I don't know if this actually true since I never was in such a huge company like MYM ). MYM would want to have experienced people not random volunteers :D Once again I was to sloppy with my writings. Sorry for that. What I meant with volunteers were experienced people who do not belong to the MYM staff. Thanks for your criticism by the way, it's really appreciated. Last edited by laskAMAZING at 18.06.2008, 15:43

 

 4KFNyPG

#21 19.06.2008, 05:10 Posts : 8 Member since : 02 Feb 08

nice idea.

 

 GMMaLaK_

#22 24.06.2008, 20:41 Posts : 94 Member since : 26 Jul 07

Very good idea, And about pro players...well just dont give them chance to play if they are paid players (MYM, SK, etc..).

 

 laskAMAZING

#23 25.06.2008, 13:23 Posts : 19 Member since : 17 May 08

Wow I'm impressed that so many people gave me positive feedback or constructive criticism. I'm trying my best to somehow improve the whole idea and maybe re-post it in 1 or 2 months with solutions to the FAQs.

 

 TRaiN-

#24 27.06.2008, 15:59 Posts : 12 Member since : 01 Apr 08

gl

 

 MKroLu

#25 28.06.2008, 02:36 Posts : 3 Member since : 28 Jun 08

it will be nice

 

 lapalm

#26 28.06.2008, 21:28 Posts : 3 Member since : 23 Jan 05

gl with your project, sounds good to me

 

 MKroLu

#27 29.06.2008, 03:03 Posts : 3 Member since : 28 Jun 08

Super idea

 

 Joyful

#28 29.06.2008, 03:50 Posts : 5 Member since : 27 Feb 08

Good idea!

 

 laskAMAZING

#29 15.07.2008, 20:12 Posts : 19 Member since : 17 May 08

I sadly have to announce that there is not even the slightest bit of interest on hosting this cup. I would like to thank all the people supporting this idea but sadly it failed. best regards, laska

 

 oppenz

#30 25.07.2008, 14:07 Posts : 15 Member since : 31 Mar 08

keep trying maybe someday one of MYM management will agree ______________________ I'm looking at you

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