ESWC Rant

ChillPill · 19th Jun 2006, 07:48 CEST

I hate this.. EVERY year this happens.

How can some of the most developed countries in terms of e-sports programs and with some of the deepest talent pools of pro-gamers take only ONE ESWC spot while others take two!?!

As I understand it, all you have to do is pay extra if you want a second slot.

So how is it that countries like Lebanon, Vietnam and Iran can send TWO players each while Russia, Germany and Sweden send only one!?! No offense but I can't for the life of me even name what race the Vietnam players use!

Look, TiTaN and FuRy are going as first placers in their countries' qualies, but not the runner-ups. Guys, the runner-ups we're talking about are Deadman and SaSe respectively! Germany is sending Fire_de but no second spot for mTw.Tak3r. C'mon! Denmark is sending two (Bjarke and Ciara); France two (ToD and Wolfy); Netherlands two (Zerter and RotterDaM); Bulgaria two (DIDI8 and Insomnia). What are these countries' orgas thinking?!

It's a farce, I tell you! A complete and utter joke!

Stay tuned for next year's rant... Oh wait, there's still the WCG... ><

P.S GL to Vietnam...

GoaT · 19th Jun 2006, 10:15 CEST

Swedish tournaments have NEVER been good, not even when my clanmates held a big lan in sweden(big names as madfrog and mym players showed up) the management decided that no money would be given out after the tour had ended, the got hadware. fucking joke, Sweden is bs in this way always same shit. so dont have ANY exceptations on Sweden, i cna tell you more exampels of BS in swedish Qualis, but i wont because it would spark bigger things thats long gone by now so no need

Mercy · 19th Jun 2006, 10:55 CEST

#0 - If you knew how much a ESWC license cost you would not say that hehe. But what surprises me is that the "poorer" countries buy 2 spots and a lot of the richer ones buy only 1 for WC3.

A lot of countries don't even have WC3 in the schedule because its simply to expensive for them to hold the tournament as the license for it kills the opportunity, so it is a matter of what their country is known for and that is the game (I assume) they will buy the license for.

masaa · 19th Jun 2006, 11:28 CEST

They can make it like USA who haven't money ;-)and just let people decide by vote. So you dont waste money for a qualifier but can send more then 1 player and its even the player everyone want's like Deadman, Sase, Shortround etc.. But then talents like the US Quake player who got 2nd in Lanwar didn't get a possiblity because he wasn't very well known allthough they are much better then the chosen ones.

TaZz · 19th Jun 2006, 13:58 CEST

Voting for who should go is the lamest thing i have ever heard

ChillPill · 19th Jun 2006, 15:11 CEST

I see your point Mercy. I'm sure it costs a lot, but you said it yourself-- poorer countries stepped up so my question is, why not the rich ones? I mean, if you're Sweden, Russia and Germany, you know that you have some of the best WC3 players in the world and that the chances of your players advancing deep in the tournament are much higher than the players of Iran or Lebanon and yet you buy only one slot?

I mean, SaSe and Deadman could actually win the WHOLE THING! It must mean something-- not much, but something-- to these countries to have one of their players win a major, prestigious, international LAN event under their mother flag, right?

Oh, and, c'mon, if there's one game Germany is known for, it's gotta be WC3 (they have the most developed WC3 scene outside of Korea). And is it coincidence that all three of these countries are arguably the most likely to win the ENC?

Noname · 19th Jun 2006, 15:40 CEST

India - Tangerine and darkboi ... Indeed, I guess their there for some free wins .. ?

DisconnecT · 20th Jun 2006, 10:25 CEST

yeah gl Vietnam...2 spots is rofl

infi_ · 20th Jun 2006, 10:48 CEST

Sometimes happens that the organisation that organizes this qualifier is more "fan" of big counter strike names than the rest of the games.

f.e.: That's what happened in last year's Swedish WC3 Qualifier, where players were forced (at the beginning, later on switched to current version atm.) to play with patch 1.17 and french game version. And the players had big delays in schedules to fix this problem because organisers where watching and having fun with the CS games from SK, spiXel and other teams.

In my opinion, most of the organisers don't have knowledge enough to choose what games deserve how much.

wickedz · 21st Jun 2006, 19:21 CEST

time is money :-)

icyF · 21st Jun 2006, 20:44 CEST

Finland does not even have one spot >8((((( that means no satiini @ eswc

bastards @ level7.... 8(((((

19th Jun 2006, 10:15 CEST	#2
GoaT Adequate Citizen Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 257	Swedish tournaments have NEVER been good, not even when my clanmates held a big lan in sweden(big names as madfrog and mym players showed up) the management decided that no money would be given out after the tour had ended, the got hadware. fucking joke, Sweden is bs in this way always same shit. so dont have ANY exceptations on Sweden, i cna tell you more exampels of BS in swedish Qualis, but i wont because it would spark bigger things thats long gone by now so no need __________________ Nine Vires Nors

19th Jun 2006, 10:55 CEST	#3
Mercy ESNation Minister Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,497 My Mood:	#0 - If you knew how much a ESWC license cost you would not say that hehe. But what surprises me is that the "poorer" countries buy 2 spots and a lot of the richer ones buy only 1 for WC3. A lot of countries don't even have WC3 in the schedule because its simply to expensive for them to hold the tournament as the license for it kills the opportunity, so it is a matter of what their country is known for and that is the game (I assume) they will buy the license for. __________________ Knowing my destiny - Is accepting your defeat...

19th Jun 2006, 13:58 CEST	#5
TaZz Adequate Citizen Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 430	Voting for who should go is the lamest thing i have ever heard __________________ If i cant kill you with my M4 ILL!! errh POKE YOU IN THE EYE

20th Jun 2006, 10:25 CEST	#8
DisconnecT Newbie Citizen Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 22	yeah gl Vietnam...2 spots is rofl __________________ signature

20th Jun 2006, 10:48 CEST	#9
infi_ Newbie Citizen Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 29	Sometimes happens that the organisation that organizes this qualifier is more "fan" of big counter strike names than the rest of the games. f.e.: That's what happened in last year's Swedish WC3 Qualifier, where players were forced (at the beginning, later on switched to current version atm.) to play with patch 1.17 and french game version. And the players had big delays in schedules to fix this problem because organisers where watching and having fun with the CS games from SK, spiXel and other teams. In my opinion, most of the organisers don't have knowledge enough to choose what games deserve how much. __________________ Respect is everything.

19th Jun 2006, 07:48 CEST	#1
ChillPill Citizen Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 174	I hate this.. EVERY year this happens. How can some of the most developed countries in terms of e-sports programs and with some of the deepest talent pools of pro-gamers take only ONE ESWC spot while others take two!?! As I understand it, all you have to do is pay extra if you want a second slot. So how is it that countries like Lebanon, Vietnam and Iran can send TWO players each while Russia, Germany and Sweden send only one!?! No offense but I can't for the life of me even name what race the Vietnam players use! Look, TiTaN and FuRy are going as first placers in their countries' qualies, but not the runner-ups. Guys, the runner-ups we're talking about are Deadman and SaSe respectively! Germany is sending Fire_de but no second spot for mTw.Tak3r. C'mon! Denmark is sending two (Bjarke and Ciara); France two (ToD and Wolfy); Netherlands two (Zerter and RotterDaM); Bulgaria two (DIDI8 and Insomnia). What are these countries' orgas thinking?! It's a farce, I tell you! A complete and utter joke! Stay tuned for next year's rant... Oh wait, there's still the WCG... >< P.S GL to Vietnam...

19th Jun 2006, 11:28 CEST	#4
masaa Junior Citizen Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 65	They can make it like USA who haven't money ;-)and just let people decide by vote. So you dont waste money for a qualifier but can send more then 1 player and its even the player everyone want's like Deadman, Sase, Shortround etc.. But then talents like the US Quake player who got 2nd in Lanwar didn't get a possiblity because he wasn't very well known allthough they are much better then the chosen ones.

19th Jun 2006, 15:11 CEST	#6
ChillPill Citizen Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 174	I see your point Mercy. I'm sure it costs a lot, but you said it yourself-- poorer countries stepped up so my question is, why not the rich ones? I mean, if you're Sweden, Russia and Germany, you know that you have some of the best WC3 players in the world and that the chances of your players advancing deep in the tournament are much higher than the players of Iran or Lebanon and yet you buy only one slot? I mean, SaSe and Deadman could actually win the WHOLE THING! It must mean something-- not much, but something-- to these countries to have one of their players win a major, prestigious, international LAN event under their mother flag, right? Oh, and, c'mon, if there's one game Germany is known for, it's gotta be WC3 (they have the most developed WC3 scene outside of Korea). And is it coincidence that all three of these countries are arguably the most likely to win the ENC?

19th Jun 2006, 15:40 CEST	#7
Noname Hardcore Citizen Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 902	India - Tangerine and darkboi ... Indeed, I guess their there for some free wins .. ?

21st Jun 2006, 19:21 CEST	#10
wickedz Newbie Citizen Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 8	time is money :-) __________________ They call me wicked!

21st Jun 2006, 20:44 CEST	#11
icyF Adequate Citizen Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 470	Finland does not even have one spot >8((((( that means no satiini @ eswc bastards @ level7.... 8((((( __________________ How do you do, my name is Trouble.

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