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22nd January 2009, 15:00

F4F: Ks.int caught red handed

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Ks.int receieved a final warning at the F4F tournament and a default loss after trying to use a stand-in for their latest match against ucpro.

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In Ks.int's latest Farm 4 Fame match, the team was caught red-handed when they tried to use former dmZ player Norway Nozg on United Kingd- Ks.Gunz's account.

Internationa- Kingsurf.international were facing Malaysia ucpro in the 3rd round of the 6th edition of the F4F and they were exposed in the drafting process where the F4F admin Germany Mathias 'dopeshow' Schmedeshagen exposed Ks.int at the attempt to use a stand-in.

He was going to stream the game for all the viewers and was doing his usual checks, one of those checking IPs of the players, to make sure none of the teams are using stand-ins, in this case Ks.int was using a stand-in.

dopeshow found out that Gunz was playing from a Norwegian IP while he should have been playing from a United Kingdom IP. Comparing the IPs between the two accounts, dopeshow found out that they are evenly matched and he then confronted Ks.int ingame with the results and the conclusion, which led to Ks.int getting a default loss and a final warning.

After Nozg recieved his punishment, which resulted in him being banned from F4F for a period of time, he contacted the F4F admin crew and apologised for his deed and his team eventually made a deal with the F4F admins to reduce the punishment, which also led the team giving its word that it would never again break any of the rules.

myMYM.com caught up with dopeshow for a statement about the case and the issue in general.

Quoting Mathias 'dopeshow' Schmedeshagen:
The problem we have to face seems to be rooted in the depth of the players' minds. I guess all tournaments are infiltrated by the fakenicking/ ringer usage or whatever you may call it. It looks like people are not able to act maturely and responsiblly when they are behind a computer, this is a general problem of gaming, but especially in DotA we have only limited ways to bust those who act against regulations. A player once stated to me that I should be thankful they play their match with a stand-in, because fulfilling a matchdate is to rate higher than fair play - here the use of only rostered players. In my opinion the players have to rethink what they are doing and in which times they are playing, everyone wants to see DotA as an eSport title taken seriously and they all want rising prize galores and stuff professional eSport titles are granted. The other side of this way DotA is actually on is the behaviour of players and organisations.
If I was a sponsor and if I put my private or my company's money into DotA, I would focus on values of fair play and maturity, I would not like to see my brand being named in one sentence with someone who fakenicks, uses maphack or anything negative for my investment. I guess this is a major problem, rumors say that mouz stepped away from DotA cause the scene and its protagonists are not ready for serious eSport and I know that a lot of potential sponsors check the forums, the websites and the scene in general before they invested it. This is why DotA will suffer in the future, sponsors are frightened, organisations don't want to put their limited money into it because players don't act like they are supposed to.
We had quite a bunch of examples how not to act as a player in F4F, and I remember other tournament admins fighting the same problems with more or less the same individuals, they want to take, but they are afraid to give, just like Ks.int's problems lately; they want to be taken seriously, they want to earn the points in F4F for mouz, they want much more and they argue about the prize money we can offer in Europe, the accomodations of the events, the regulations we set up, etc. If vigoss, jolie or gunz had taken DotA seriously like they are supposed to be as they are members of one of the worlds top teams, they wouldn't have had to ask nozg to step in the hole. It's always about the amount of effort you are willing to spend, so maybe our continent's so called professionals should take a look to the Asian teams who travel long distances to play from an internet cafe against them, the result may be that events may occur and they get rewarded in a better way. Acting mature, calm and professional is the way leading victory, if they can accept and live with this I am sure that DotA, and also we at DotA-league will put even more effort into the competitive scene and in the end those cool events like we will start with in Hannover (but with other dimensions of prize money I guess).

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(last year) #1 EDSRubberNinja

f4f big bullshite

(last year) #2 [SLO]Heldarion

how about they got busted lol. <Xeqn> someone translated your warding guide to Chinese

(last year) #4 GenoZStriker

getting busted is bullshit :) Warcraft 3 forever

(last year) #3 GenoZStriker

This guy -> Mathias 'dopeshow' Schmedeshagen <- will carry dota in the future. Well to bad I guess nothing much we can do.

''myMYM.com caught up with Schmedeshagen for a short statement about the case and the issue in general.''

Bullshit. The longest short statement I have ever read.

Last edited by GenoZStriker at 22.01.2009, 19:45

Warcraft 3 forever

(last year) #31 RAAMZES

LOL! XD

(last year) #57 4ueuL

not that long if you read it in 2 mins or less :D

With great looks comes great responsiblities XD

(last year) #63 Alyyx

or if u dont read it ... :))))

(last year) #72 4ueuL

haha yeah =P With great looks comes great responsiblities XD

(last year) #5 -Nhac

Nice.

(last year) #6 SeaOfSilence

WELL DONE, Mr. Holmes! silent sleeping indigo

(last year) #7 PD\|solovevochka

GJ

(last year) #8 Cool_csiga

dopeshow 1 : 0 ks^int Last edited by Cool_csiga at 22.01.2009, 20:13

(last year) #9 KuroKy

we had to use a fakenicker so we can actually play this match since we were not able to play on the 2 next days. now plz dont come with ur '' ask admin and u can play after deadline '' bullshit, last time we had a similar problem with mouz, instead of giving us 1 more day u threat us with defloss. idk what u guys think with inviting asian teams to an online competition.. its insanely hard to schedule games with them + they lag horribly on any host, so u cant even say the match is entertaining, neither for the watcher nor for the players..
about our points with mouz, mousesports officially made a statement that ALL fucking online rights we participate in goes to KS.INT, they even send an email to u... still u refused to give us our point.. so basically u dont wanna give us our point because ksint exists of 4 mouz players? instead of 5? ok we lose 14 points for 1 player, i see.
anyway this is no excuse, the ban is fair, eventhough ucpro still wanted to play the game - which we won in less than 15minutes btw

(last year) #12 CoAS0th

how about getting +2 players , so you won't have to use a ringer.

(last year) #30 RAAMZES

Yep its really easy.....

(last year) #73 RavensMiseRy--

YES ADD SOME MROE PlayerS MAN WTF :ns:

(last year) #17 chelom

well man ure a angry man, i really like ure replays but not ure actitude i think ure accting really bad writting the post that just makes.... but we gl in the future. well thats my point of view and im sure a lot of ppl thinks the same but not writting it cause ure a "top" player well at least u play in a top team.

Last edited by chelom at 22.01.2009, 21:29

(last year) #38 rivettca

Oi, you have to look at it from both sides of the argument. At first glance, it seems like a team was using a ring-in illegally, but if you take a deeper look, the reason they struggled to field a team is because of the other team (being in Asia), and he is right with the lag making the game far less entertaining for both the players and the spectators. They lost their points when their team changed names/sponsors (which was completely unjust) so they were already pissed off. Kuroky accepted the penalty DESPITE THE OTHER TEAM STILL WANTING TO PLAY THE GAME. Surely, if the other team is willing to let the other team play with a ring-in (which wouldn't raise the skill level due to the lack of chemistry/practise) the admins can be happy with that. Obviously not. So F4F would have them play with 4 players. What a joke. And wasn't dopeshow the one saying 'everyone wants to see DotA as an eSport title taken seriously,' yet here they are recommending a team to play with 4 players.

(last year) #27 st0rm_sh4dow

seriously must be fun scheduling vs teams in Asia on a tight deadline.

Probably goes something like:
Euro:“hey you guys play at 4am this time and next time we’ll play at 4am ok???”

Asian:“ok you guys have good host right?”

Euro:“ldo”

Then ofc both teams spend 2 hours finding host and ends up playing a 300ms+ awesome game... ducy?

(last year) #44 Say_Maki_Pls

+3 Pls apply for F4F admin, we will support you :D

(last year) #29 Jinne

+1 prÂº nÂºob

(last year) #32 RAAMZES

+2

(last year) #59 tHcWuksa

true...

(last year) #10 Fantoma

well if Ks.Int can`t play why u can`t wait 1 2 days...lmao .....is not a big thing ^^^ stupid admins ..... kuroky & vigoss vs the whole team and still a win The Phantom of the Opera !

(last year) #11 PD\|solovevochka

dopeshow pituh

(last year) #13 MaRiHuAnA-

Quoting KuroKy: which we won in less than 15minutes btw true!

(last year) #14 EESTIPuppy

was nice to SCRIM that day vs ucpro, they are nice guys.

(last year) #42 Flex-

hahahahahaha! Sup?

(last year) #15 Jiggs

It's Ironic how the same thing happened in Vigoss' team last time. now ain't it? As far as I remember Vp used Aidar instead of Vigoss. So Ks is out of F4F #6 or double elimination?

(last year) #16 p4karthikeyan

fking shit this is. i think ks.int sud ban f4f from its schedule and start concentrating on other tourneys.

(last year) #18 DLTwice-

Why would they ban 3000£ and hardware? :O Maybe just admit the facts. go on baby scream to god, he cant hear you

(last year) #19 .a!Assii

I thought ks.int had a gazillion players on their roster to pick from 0o. This is just pure fail, simple as that. "Every damn word I say is a sneak attack!"

(last year) #20 VirtusJolie

LOL, what my name do there. DOPESHOW U BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

(last year) #62 VpVenuss

hi Jolie when i gonna see u in match events ;) hugs â™¥â™¥â™¥â™¥â™¥<I like only the People who are not superficial>â™¥â™¥â™¥â™¥â™¥

(last year) #21 MrOw

...i ban all obs I Feed On Your Tears <3

(last year) #22 4KFmatthe

Of course I am happy when an athlet wins a tournament by doping :D Isn't that great xD? And I am sad and angry when he is disqualified by that.

That is what I hear by most of the people here...

Not swearing on internet? It's against my religion.

(last year) #23 MrOw

if hes dark tall and handsome...

hell yes

I Feed On Your Tears <3

(last year) #25 4KFmatthe

???? What???? I dont get what you want to tell me... aussie joke xD? Not swearing on internet? It's against my religion.

(last year) #24 K1NGQ_oloGy

So was he spoofing on Ks.Vigoss's account like it says on main-page article description, or was he spoofing on Ks.Gunz name as it says IN the article ???

wtf?

(last year) #26 TasteMeAcc

Gunz. The first info I saw was that he was spoofing Vigoss's account, but I was then later informed that it was Gunz's.

(last year) #28 mthDrouGluiN

Would they have known if a British person would have been the stand-in instead of the Norwegian?

(last year) #33 [SLO]Heldarion

Read what you wrote again and then know your utter fail.

<Xeqn> someone translated your warding guide to Chinese

(last year) #35 WEKruemel

Oo +1?

(last year) #55 Phil

I think what he implies is that the admins only found out as they geo-traced the IP-adress. I don't know where Gunz lives, but if he lives in the UK and a UK guy plays instead of him, it doesn't look suspicious when you do a geotracking of the IPs :-) I'm forever blowing bubbles!

(last year) #60 mthDrouGluiN

The thing is that in Estonia most of the ISP's don't provide static IP's(unless u pay more). If the case is the same in other countries you can't detect "cheating"(couldn't find better word at the moment). Oh and I didn't read the whole article, too fucking long. Bring out the fail, bitch.

(last year) #34 sG.trech

imho its so difficult to find a day/time that 10 guys can play... so its ridiculous if admins dont give 1-3 more days to play rofl go ks.int!

(last year) #36 glow_R

So ridicilous to not give the teams a few more days so ALL can play with PlayerS IN THE TEAMS. What if vigoss or whoever couldn't play due to important irl things? It's even more ridicilous to bring asians teams in the european internet tourneys as KuroKy said.

(last year) #37 [SLO]Heldarion

What dopeshow said sounds alright, but in an eSport where you are paid for nothing but only for the 2-per-year lan trips and possibly receive some hardware, it's fckin hard to give 100% for it. After all, these are the people that study, are gonna grow up and do something else if they don't get paid for spending a lot of time for the game, they are eventually not going to take it all too seriously. Putting Asians into online tournaments is just another obstacle there that doesn't help at all, starting with awkward match scheduling and ending with "nice" hosts. Just MAYBE let Europe&Asia meet only offline, I believe this is going to save everybody a lot of headaches in the long run. <Xeqn> someone translated your warding guide to Chinese

(last year) #39 finalmix

ucpro sucks to the max hehe if you know them well but still that was a sad event fer ks.int having disqualified that way sigh[ just like what cypher-_- said its european internet tourneys as KuroKy said. ~~ go ks.int~/ks/sk/mym/ lol

(last year) #40 milk_milk

This is a bit of a joke. Its just fucking hard to play on so short deadlines vs asian teams. U always have to play at night or they have... Its not like all players are students or they get paid their life for playing dota or whatever... Kuroky is still a kid, its not like his mother allows him to play games from 3-5 in the night in the mid of the week (my mother wouldnt have allowed this for sure!!). @the doping argument... its like they call u doped if u have to play if u were drunk the evening before, imo its not rly doping if u get a weaker player or a player u have not played with before (or not so much). Imo games > strict rules... just interpret the rules appropriate and u r fine. 2 much scandals in dota!

(last year) #41 5tarScre4m

Kuroky 0 : 1 Asians Money is like the force, binding the universe together

(last year) #43 aWrnSS

LOL, busted.

(last year) #45 FaPBeast_Pete

Teh decision was right. The rules are rules. Though I myself am kinda lenient with this, I check IPs only if I received info of teams using ringers regularly. As Heldarion already pointed out, DotA is still not big enough of an e-sport for the all the professionals to give everything in it. You can't get enough money out of playing DotA, but hopefully this will change in the future. Most of the teams use ringers, that's a known fact. And this is all for the fun, so I guess it's not that big of a problem, especially if the ringer isn't better or not much better than the original player. But a lot of people would abuse the system if it wasn't forbidden. Visit www.wdc-online.com for the hottest DotA tournaments!

(last year) #46 imported_cychia

ks.int pls dun do this kind of silly thing again!!!!!!!!!

(last year) #47 RePMaC

though i always stand by KS.INT but still rules is rules.. Rules a meant to be follow.. if no rules.. why called it tournament/leagues? Anyhow, will looking forward for next round of KS game..gambateh.. dun let 1 bad nuts break the teams records and spirit.. Is not how good you are, Is how good you want to be!!

(last year) #48 shadowcrest

i agree with finalmix. ucpro's players are sucky as ever. they haven meet any serious gaming players like ks.int. Ks.int ended those guys within 20mins with lagness on their side. damnit ks.int shudn't be disqualified =/ thts a sad news. GO GO kuroky and vigoss! dun be upset ^^ go mym/ks.int/sk !!

(last year) #49 amimamimo

y those ppl seem to pick on ks int or VP? Go pick on other team

(last year) #50 zorro87

so how long they will be ban from F4F ?

(last year) #51 oppenz

caught again? maybe they'll banned from F4F forever I'm looking at you

(last year) #52 seacrac

Lol. VP incident all over again. VP disbanded shortly after that one. Hopefully this will not happen :D

(last year) #53 kakei

BLA BLA BLA SnM\|Pure:Do not think of the future but of what is beyond it

(last year) #54 fromOtoO

dopeshow>>>>>>ks.int

(last year) #56 killing-z2

#39 and #48, why so hate your own country rank 1 team? :D

(last year) #74 5tarScre4m

tell me that you support Kuala Lumpur Football Team rather than some English Premier League teams )

Money is like the force, binding the universe together

(last year) #77 killing-z2

Well, football cannot be compared with dota. :D

(last year) #58 WEfips

kuroky cheater!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(last year) #61 angelexian

dopeshow pawned Ks.Int ....MMMMonster Kill!! Ownage!!!

(last year) #64 Alyyx

show some love ppl :)))

(last year) #65 Compelling

Puppey! You know I <3 you! :D :D :D No offense to Ks.Int, great team, but if NozG got banned for faking someone's name, why isn't the rest of the group of people involved banned as well? Nozg may be the one faking a name, but the person who asked him to do it is just as guilty. Anyone who knew about it as just as guilty as Nozg. Ks.Int is awesome though, so whatever. When F4F admins slapped Ks.Int on the wrist for breaking the rules, I just hope they slapped the non-mouse hand. Don't want to hurt their money-makers!

(last year) #66 YoSnail

Should be the notice: "Please keep your comments very short for those who have the attention span of a gerbil."

(last year) #67 Compelling

This one's even longer, for those gerbils out there who are uninterested. What Dopeshow said was very true and well worded. He made his point elegantly enough. BUT!!! If you are truly tired of fakenicking, etc, then accommodations need to be made for teams so that it is no longer essential. If Ks.Int can't schedule a match because the asian teams are on such a radically different schedule with such poor lag to european servers, then changes need to be made to accommodate that. Why did Ks.Int need a stand-in? Because they could not meet the scheduling required for their match. So what are the solutions? Either get admins willing to be more involved in the scheduling, thus being able to help solve situation like this, or create improved rules for scheduling so that something can be done. In my opinion, the individual crime is the perpetrator's fault, but if everyone commits the crime, then it is the lawmaker who fucked up. Strict rules are great and they help keep tournaments fair and timely, but you need to be able to work with teams if there are problems. Ks.Int gets a slap on the wrist for breaking the rule, but tournament admins get a slap to the face for not figuring out the real source of the problem. Last edited by Compelling at 23.01.2009, 17:28

(last year) #68 jaagii_1979

hmm For the leading game, just try a bit.

(last year) #69 xt4sisDav1d_ggc

wtf? pls play fair motherfuckers D: Gay test. use ur thumbs w/ ur Cellphone. BAD NEWS for you D:

(last year) #70 doGGeMiNi--

Let's say hell yeah...the scheduling around all leagues/tourneys especially when the brackets are world-wide is pretty wounded. Sure Ks.Int has broken the rules, but sometimes it is impossible to schedule the match in one week, especially with such a huge time delay between both sides. The resolution is quite simple - those games should be postponed for weekends or at least they should have wider selection of playdays (add 2 days at least). Then you won't encounter such problems so often...anyways good luck for both teams in next matches, we wanna see some entertainment ;) Always there's one more stupid-man than you think :)

(last year) #71 shadowcrest

to #56. sorry dude no hard feelings. the only #1 team in msia belongs to Kingsurf. not ucpro. purely respect to yamateh's skill and others as well. ucpro's players just don't have the requirements and skills to go futher into international

Last edited by shadowcrest at 24.01.2009, 20:33

(last year) #75 5tarScre4m

i second that ) Money is like the force, binding the universe together

(last year) #78 killing-z2

Well, if u notice more about malaysia dota scene. UCPro were in rank #1 with underminer's ranking.

(last year) #76 see_my_style

what are u talking about RULES ARE RULES if u cant stand with them dont play its so simple u are not the only 1 that u have to go somewhere to play with or smth else ALL teams do that so Get The Ban and get more players if u want to avoid this

(last year) #79 Pterkf

Ks.int should be allowed to play 4 vs 5 unstead of getting def loss imo. It will be a good challenge for them.

(last year) #80 student_911

Oh My KsInt, what a pity, who gonna watch F4F w/o Ks Int? Dopeshow, you're right to talk about the money, Let's see how you make money if NO ONE WANNA WATCH F4F ANYMORE BECAUSE YOU DUMBASS BANNED KS WITH A VERY STUPIDDDD REASON!!! SHIT!!!

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