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12th December 2008, 18:10

Drastic changes in the WC3L system

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The new WC3L system creates new possibilities in a time where teams decided to concentrate on solo events - only two players per team are needed to participate in the WC3L.

The trend of reducing the teams rosters to a minimum (Article: The End of Warcraft 3 Teams?) finally effected the WC3L. The league supervisor Germany Sebastian 'Baschi' Weishaar mentioned that "this change is the best possible approach to ensure the continued participation of all the top teams and players on the one hand and to preserve the general concept of the WC3L as a team league on the other hand."

The limit of having a minimum of five players in a team has been nullified - atleast two players have to be in a clans roster to participate in the WC3L Season XV. Five points per clanwar will be given away in a system similar with the Davis Cup in the world of tennis. Two players have to be chosen to play the solo games; the lineup in the 2on2 match is independend from this choice. The system has been used in the Starcoma Games Convention Challenge 2007 already.


The new WC3L system (source: wc3l.com)

Explanation: Each clan must appoint two solo players per clanwar who will play four 1on1-matches:

  1. As in tennis, the first seeded player will play against the second seeded player in the beginning.
  2. Afterwards the 2on2 will be played with two members of each team (either solo players or a different 2on2 team).
  3. Finally, No. 1 seeds of both teams will be playing against each other, just like both No. 2 seeds.

All matches will be played in best-of-three; the starting map will be determined as usual. All the changes won't affect the WC3L Season XIV Playoffs or the running WC3L Season XV Qualifier.

Quoting Germany Baschi:

Today we are celebrating the WC3L's 6th birthday making the WC3L one of the longest running and oldest esports leagues in the world. During the last 6 years the WC3L has undergone a lot of changes, some being small in nature like the addition of new maps and some being bigger in nature like the removal of the second 2v2 match in season VIII. We have always made these changes based on what we thought was necessary to maintain the WC3L's status and reputation and based on what we thought was the best for the fans and the Warcraft 3 community.

We will be making yet another of these changes today, this one probably being one of the biggest if not the biggest change so far, and it is my belief that this change is the best possible approach to ensure the continued participation of all the top teams and players on the one hand and to preserve the general concept of the WC3L as a team league on the other hand.

 


Source: wc3l.com


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(6 months ago)  #1 Elven_Star
Elven_Star
Huge, let's see how it turns out....
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo
(6 months ago)  #2 jennyso
jennyso
ew =[
(6 months ago)  #3 GenoZStriker
GenoZStriker
O_O Encourage teams dropping players more please
Demigod ESL 2v2 Opening Cup - http://www.esl.eu/eu/demigod/
(6 months ago)  #4 Rychla_Rota
Rychla_Rota
Davis Cup.. lol
(6 months ago)  #5 underatker
underatker
can the 2on2 be played with 2 players not playing the 1on1's?
(6 months ago)  #9 GenoZStriker
GenoZStriker
ye, pretty much. The solo players can play solo and 2vs.2. Ones the solo players are picked you can't change them.
Demigod ESL 2v2 Opening Cup - http://www.esl.eu/eu/demigod/
(6 months ago)  #10 Unbelievable
 
Yes :)

See:
2. Afterwards the 2on2 will be played with two members of each team (either solo players or a different 2on2 team).

Boo!
(6 months ago)  #6 Roger321
 
one thing we can definately say is the fact that there will be a lot more top replays (imagine WE vs. MYM - sky infi/ted grubby moon), so this would be a nice point for it.
one thing i dislike is that i dont think a clan should consist of two players - with this system, it is possible. ofc there will be a lot of transfers in the next weeks - lets see how it will work.

Roger
(6 months ago)  #7 MaliSunSet
MaliSunSet
I agree with GenoZStriker : (
(6 months ago)  #8 Unbelievable
 
OMG!
Boo!
(6 months ago)  #11 GenoZStriker
GenoZStriker
The good thing about this though is that it's a good opportunity for good 2vs.2 players. Like for example Axslav and Strifeco can be in a top team without having to play 1vs.1 but me the teams main scorer in 2vs.2
Demigod ESL 2v2 Opening Cup - http://www.esl.eu/eu/demigod/
(6 months ago)  #12 Phil
Phil
Is it still going to be BO3 or is it going to be BO1 to limit the time-frame of a match (not talk about reducing the players' overall gametime)?
I'm forever blowing bubbles!
(6 months ago)  #13 Perdita
Perdita
All matches will be played in best-of-three
It's good to be bad!
(6 months ago)  #15 Phil
Phil
So it can be up to 9 games per player per match? If so, then it's about the biggest brain meltdown of the century.
I'm forever blowing bubbles!
(6 months ago)  #16 NFlag
NFlag
Yes it can be, but it is normal for progamers to play so many games @ one day
(6 months ago)  #49 Phil
Phil
Yeah but try adding 9 games up with how much time it can take. You have a 3 hour show if a game lasts apprx 20 minutes. That's not good for either the WC3L or the players (imagine playing for straight 180 minutes in a game where the least mistake can cost you the set).

Of course they are used to play that amount each day, I just find it stupid that you can now put 9 games on two people - to be played consecutively. I mean, with breaks and the normal pauses, everybody has to put up 4-5 hours for a CW if it goes to all 9 games. That's ridicioulus.

I'm forever blowing bubbles!
(6 months ago)  #14 GoaT
GoaT
Soe pect about 2..3 releases from MYM SK and all the bigger teams: )
Nine Vires Nors
(6 months ago)  #17 mymFfrows
frows
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nice changes!

be the best
(6 months ago)  #18 underatker
underatker
but we should the rise of some new teams with this?
(6 months ago)  #19 imported_ixion
imported_ixion
i dont like this at all
(6 months ago)  #20 imenand
 
gogo mym, buy tod and lildc and open up mym.eu aka mym.4k :P
(6 months ago)  #21 GKoOJustLittlestar-
JustLittlestar-
hmm.. strange system... so who'll play from MYM ? Grubby vs Player A , then Moon vs Player B and then Grubby+Moon against Player"A"+Player"B" , and again Grubby but vs Player"B" and Moon vs Player"A"?O_O
Last edited by JustLittlestar- at 12.12.2008, 20:17

We are 4Kings
(6 months ago)  #22 4KFLeatherface
Leatherface
i hope the team undeads step up xD
4K faiting!!!!!!!!!!!!
(6 months ago)  #23 lost
 
nice, now grubby & moon pay even more off \o/ and so do remind & soju/lyn, no need to have a player of each race in your team for best possible seedings :D gj fail3cl :D
(6 months ago)  #24 THENOJS
 
yee now team with 2 members can play in wc3l :) i think mTw + check and mtw will be back with who and check xP
(6 months ago)  #25 Rychla_Rota
Rychla_Rota
i think when it is good in tennis and they know why they do it so i think it will be very good step in gaming !
(6 months ago)  #26 vTMirhi
Mirhi
I think this will save WC3 team leagues a while longer. Good move IMO
(6 months ago)  #27 MaliSunSet
MaliSunSet
I think with his system, it will be the end of the reign of Undeads. Hi Orcs, Hi Night-Elves ^^
(6 months ago)  #42 Fabozi
 
LT and GW removed from the map pool
(6 months ago)  #28 Ryo_
 
I think it would be better to keep the system as it is now, but allowing a team to repeat players only if necessary ;)
(6 months ago)  #29 lapalm
 
I do have the same feelings, no more UD in those match-ups.
Every team will now align at least 1 orc.

I don't like the change, but I'll have to live with it.
Last edited by lapalm at 12.12.2008, 21:20
(6 months ago)  #30 ohcihc
 
death of wc3 !!!!!
(6 months ago)  #31 Rychla_Rota
Rychla_Rota
haha if there will be some uber team with 4 undeads they would win
(6 months ago)  #32 MaliSunSet
MaliSunSet
Well these changes can be interesting and we may see more teams in the future, who knows. As GenoZStriker mentionned it, it will be a good opportunity for players such as Axslav/StrifeCreo to do good results.
I'm really looking forward these changes but I am also curious to see what the teams/players will have to say.
It will favour more Orcs and Night-Elves imo.
(6 months ago)  #33 Sebelas
 
honestly i dont like it..
the clan wich only consist of 2 members, doesnt looks like a real clan for me
my suggestion: they give 4th match slot for 3rd solo player, and 5th game (the real final) is between A1 and B1, so a team at least should have 3 players, not 2...
Last edited by Sebelas at 12.12.2008, 22:08
(6 months ago)  #34 imperator-xy
 
i dont like it
for the start its a good option, but i dont think they put big efforts in thinking about it
now teams with 3-5 nearly same good players, like mym, sk, fnatic, have a big disadvantage because they don't need them.

maybe they should add at least 1 1on1. or make the size of the league to 20 teams and let the top teams have more than 1 squad. and bo1 or bo2 matches.
(6 months ago)  #35 Rychla_Rota
Rychla_Rota
hmm i think 2 player is minimum requirements but team who has 2 players cant be strong in this style of matches i think optimal number of players is 5 for this and 5players vs 2players is advantage in this style!
(6 months ago)  #36 Rychla_Rota
Rychla_Rota
so i think we can forget on teams of 2players in WC3L
(6 months ago)  #37 Flex-
Flex-
This sux hard balls, then you have to increase the ammounth of teams to 24 to have all the players we like seeing so much, HORRIBLE CHOISE
Sup?
(6 months ago)  #38 Flex-
Flex-
P.S wanted to add another thing, just becouse some of the top teams cant manage with whats going on with the budged doesn't mean we have to lower the ammount of players participating by a half, jerks...
Sup?
(6 months ago)  #39 Mista_Masta
Mista_Masta
While I appreciate the idea of keeping team leagues alive, I think that reducing teams to potentially only two players is not a good move. Like already said above, this basically encourages teams to drop players who are less than absolute top level.

Still, I think that even in this system a good team needs at least 4 players to be able to switch lineups against different teams. We'll see how this turns out...
(6 months ago)  #40 Rychla_Rota
Rychla_Rota
i think and i know that there wont be teams of 2 players in WC3L not becouse of rules but becouse of weakness. In this style cant be team of 2 players succesful. Maybe only when Moon & Grubby will play vs medium europan teams... but not in professional scene.
(6 months ago)  #41 noobtastic
 
focus shy go go lmao
(6 months ago)  #43 imported_ixion
imported_ixion
everyone flame wc3l and make them change it back.. this is shit
(6 months ago)  #44 BiG
BiG
honestly, i like the system a lot. pretty much brings up new teams, who dont have such a big budget, but who are able to get bigger success, on the other side, i hope we will see more teams in the wc3l therefore.
<3 mercy
(6 months ago)  #45 oX
 
Hmm hopefully it would work out but I would've reduced the number to 3. As aid by Sebelas.
Match
A1 vs. B2
A2vs. B1
2vs.2
A3vs.B3
Arandom(1,2 or 3 vs. Brandom(1,2 or 3)
(6 months ago)  #46 VzPXeelCortino
XeelCortino
Changes always brings problems, but problems will create opportunities. For me this is a good change, the only way to kept the wc3l alive.
http://xeelcortino.blogspot.com <<Please Kindly Comment
(6 months ago)  #47 oppenz
 
more teams will release their player

:/

I'm looking at you
(6 months ago)  #48 ShamRock
ShamRock
Quoting GenoZStriker:

O_O Encourage teams dropping players more please

It's not about that it's more about the fact that teams who have less players can't participate thus those players don't get the oppurtunity to participate.

In this world of sin i hope to surrender to the holy bliss.
(6 months ago)  #50 Asmonok
Asmonok
I wonder what sort of changes will happen to MYM's rooster as result of this.
(6 months ago)  #51 NeverGG
 
4K would have owned even more with that system. Has to bee seen if this system is good or not.
Better light a candle than curse the darkness!
(6 months ago)  #52 Lun-
 
well, shall see how it turns out. :D
(6 months ago)  #53 Antidoto
 
Dang this is AWFUL

1.Even when these changes were not made so that clans would drop their players, it will most likely lead to that.

2. Having the possibility that 2 players could play for 3-4-5 hours for a CW is ridiculous, it might lower the level of games showed, either 'cause players would get exhausted or they'll lack motivation when knowing they'll have to play 9 tiring games.

3. I can hardly see arising clans promoting any kind of clan spirit, which in most times make cws interesting and fun to watch/predict. 2 players playing for an "X" team who hired them might feel more like mercs than real "clan" members.

4. We might see many teams arising, since many top players might get dropped and hired by other new teams, but will we see newcomers arising?? "X" team with 2 unknown players having to play against 10-12 teams filled with only top players just to qualify, will they stand a chance??? you think they will qualify?? will they get the exposure??

I really think they could have thought of some better ideas =(

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