MYM - TH000 - Grubby's excuse made me laugh

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23rd June 2008, 17:40

TH000 - Grubby's excuse made me laugh

Recently, rumors were rife about the conduct of Grubby at the recently culminated WC3L playoffs and is presently the topic of controversy.

Meanwhile, others have also been comparing this issue with a similar situation that transpired at ROTK. Replays.net has made an interview with China Human wNv.TH000 who was involved in that issue, and myMYM has translated it for our English readers.

Q: Several days ago, Grubby mentioned that you watched the replay during the match where you played against him at ROTK and you got away with that, which may make him think that you got away scott-free. Do you think there's any truth there?

A: First, I want to say that I did not watch the replay at ROTK like he said, which can be proved by Fly100%, Sky and xiaOt who asked me to go away when they were watching the replay. He should also be able to tell if I watched his replay, since he played so many games. His (Grubby) excuse really made me laugh.

Q: The issue is that whether you had watched the replay with your clanmates, so what happened at that moment? Have you watched the replay?

A: As i said i did not. It's very bad to watch a saved replay and if i had done that i should have been given a loss. He insisted a regame due to a one-second pause before which i had a big adavantage.

After a two-hour argument, the conclusion from the referee was that he forfeited the match because the referee didn't allow a regame. Then he came to shake hands with me because he was not angry with me, but the organizer as he said. But what surprised me is that he mentioned that I had watched the rep at some forums recently.

Q: Do you think your pause-behavior is a violation of the rules and should be punished?

A: Yeah, I did violate the rules and due to that I got a warning from the referee. I think it's enough. But personally, I think the rule is far-fetched; how can you inform the referee before an emergency....maybe it could be the situation that you can't use your tp which may lead you to a loss. I will never agree with a regame because of the 1-second pause or maybe i will agree if he wanted me not to move anything for 1-5 seconds ^_^ . After all, a defwin is not decided by the players.

Q: What do you think of the conduct by Grubby that he watched a saved replay at WC3L playoffs?

A: In my opinion, the referees sided with foreign players too much. How can he get away because he had only watched for 2-3 mins? Pro-gamers often watch the rep with 8x speed. I can't imagine what the situation would be, and I think only MYM would know what happened. I'm very disappointed.

Q: Thanks for your time.
A: Haha, thank you and many thanks to our fans as well as our sponsors - Aigo, Intel, Microsoft, Steelseries, Kappa and Cocacola.

Original Interview: Replays.Net (Chinese)

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(5 months ago) #1 GKoOBaKsuZ

So he did not watched the replay. I admit, I was wrong.

About that 2-3 minutes, TT 2-3 MINUTES INGAME !!! even if he watched it with x8 speed that would mean that he watched the replay for a few seconds (real time)

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(5 months ago) #11 wNv\|VBadGirl

who said he watched only 2-3 mins and how can he prove he didnt watch more ? :).

Anyway, it's over and done. grub lost face with this incident and even more with his statement, even more after TH000 clarified that he did not watch the replay.

I still think a nice clean I'm sorry would have done a lot more good than all that soap opera he made.

GL.

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(5 months ago) #14 GKoOBaKsuZ

Well, he did said that he watched only 2-3 minutes, but due to this it's gonna be hard to believe Grubby, but how can you prove that he didn't.

About this... Maybe Grubby didn't see that TH000 was/wasn't watching the game, but heard it from someone (who has seen TH000 in the near when the replay was watched and assumed that TH000 himself watched it) who he trusted enough to believe in it. But that's only one possible scenario.

U2.

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(5 months ago) #15 wNv\|VBadGirl

haha yeah exactly at least TH000 can confirm with fly, xiaot and sky (you cant say team bias here) and grub has what?
Indeed its a little hard to believe his words after what he said and what he did.

Yeah i suppose he jumped to conclusions like others did as well. Still going in a public statement with assumptions is not a good idea, as you can see.

this thing has to be the drama of the month!! I'm curious what's the July's drama :).

Last edited by VBadGirl at 23.06.2008, 18:54

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(5 months ago) #19 GKoOBaKsuZ

Grubby can't confirm that he watched it only for 2-3 mins but nobody can tell that he watched it for longer ether, his word against yours, or somebody elses.

Yeah i suppose he jumped to conclusions like others did as well. Still going in a public statement with assumptions is not a good idea, as you can see.

If my scenario is right, than Manuel trust others too much, like he did with TaiLong.

Still we can only assume whats going on until the official statement.

Last edited by BaKsuZ at 23.06.2008, 19:15

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(5 months ago) #35 wNv\|VBadGirl

yeap, you are right it's his word against 'mine' (so to speak) but it seems that the words from Grubby weight kind of light due recent events.

It would be funny to have Grubby make yet another statement explaining why he said that about TH000.. haha.
I told you it's like one of those never ending dramas. " young and restless, dynasty, bold and beautiful, just to name a few. They go on and on and on.. LOL.

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(5 months ago) #37 GKoOBaKsuZ

and on and on...
We gotta stop this. :S

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(5 months ago) #46 wNv\|VBadGirl

haha yeah you are right I dont want dendra to come in an call me a crazy pun pun again xD! Hold the S cause i'm an AINT.

(5 months ago) #32 nofuture

"you cant say team bias here"....what about chinese bias ? :D

Last edited by nofuture at 23.06.2008, 19:56

(5 months ago) #38 wNv\|VBadGirl

Bias in which way? Which way have you ruled if this match was between ToD vs Grubby and you were admin? and which you honestly think it would have been the best decision and fairest as well.

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(5 months ago) #43 nofuture

bias in the way that all the players u quoted are chinese and taking into acount that China is widely considered as a nationalist country (to say the least). Now im not saying that the decision taken was right or wrong but bringing on the table that 3 chinese players are backing up an other chinese player doesn't seem very relevant as an argument. The point is you were not there, me neither and if u are right to take grubby's statement cautiously u should do the same with Thooo's. "WnW"|vbadgirl is it ? talking about bias, aren't u manager of Thooo's team ? :D

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(5 months ago) #45 wNv\|VBadGirl

Yeah sure he is my player but you don't exactly see me saying TH000 is innocent and he did no mistake. Sky, Fly and xiaot might be chinese but ROTK is after all a chinese tour.

I find it funny that you basically call them liers just because chinese are nationalists and because well.. they are chinese!. Good logic you got there.

you didnt answer my questions, how so?

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(5 months ago) #56 nofuture

It is as illogical as saying that they tell the truth because they're actually not from the same team....anyway that's not really the point, I'm just saying that whether it's grubby's statement or Thooo's it remains someone's words against someone else's. Having both side of a story doesn't mean one can reach any conclusion regarding its thruthfulness.
As for your questions, I fail to find them any relevance, even though I'm french, I don't like ToD, so I wouldn't have condemned Grubby for patriotic reasons. What would have been the best decision ? well Grubby didn't break any rules so no action could have been taken anyways. Still, he did wrong I absolutely agree with that, but on the other hand he acknowledges it and apologised. I think few players would have behaved the same way.

(5 months ago) #61 wNv\|VBadGirl

it was just an example with ToD, it could be.. Xyligan (human as well). I wanted to pick an european vs european so your bias judgment be minimized.

I didnt pick ToD because you are french and you would favor him but because he is European and Human player.

Plus you didnt answer my qs AGAIN!!!!!!!! >.<.

I have asked you what u would have done in grub vs th000's case. How you would have ruled.

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(5 months ago) #73 mysassyelf

Hello again lady china wnv... since there's no way to prove that grubby did it or not, let's just not make any conclusions...

anyways gl hf in the beijing olympics... is that u really on the pic?

friends may come and go, enemies accumulate... gg

(5 months ago) #79 SirZ

grubby can confirm it with cassandra and moon. I wouldn't believe thooo anyway hes full of lies

(5 months ago) #81 wNv\|VBadGirl

ahahaha casandra and moon. If moon was watching as well and he knew what he was doing and he didnt stop it this is worse than I thought!!! hahaha

yes it's me there.

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(5 months ago) #82 tEStyrre

You're making a fool of yourself.

(5 months ago) #86 SirZ

vbadgirl my dear :) just coz thooo beat moon once doesn't mean you need to make those comments :P, anyway i think a good way to sort this out is grubby plays vs thooo and fly100% next wc3l :D anyway cya vbadgirl :D, oh btw are u in china yet? get ur boys training hard for wc3l :), and did u find a good inet server yet? i dun think cassandra would be the sort of person to cheat.

Last edited by SirZ at 24.06.2008, 16:24

(5 months ago) #92 wNv\|VBadGirl

hahaha of course she isn't she would actually say : " no my bf is lying he watched 7 mins of the game not 2-3 like he said" hahahahah

and what's th000 wining over moon has to do with anything?

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(5 months ago) #102 yunero

just the same way as you would never prove your teammates to be wrong. that's the reason those decisions should be made by independent persons, who aren't sided.

and btw nofuture did answer your question. you just should actually read what he said.

What would have been the best decision ? well Grubby didn't break any rules so no action could have been taken anyways.

(5 months ago) #103 wNv\|VBadGirl

hmm perhaps you need to read again before telling me to read. I have asked him how he would have ruled in the case of TH000 vs Grubby not the 2v2 between mym and mouz.

Anyway, Sky and Fly are the impartial person because they don't belong to the same team. They can ce considered neutral and saying they arent just because they are chinese or some patriotism it's far fetched.

It's the same as everybody would say about you that you're a nazi coz hitler was a nazi and he was german.. therefore you are one too. I'm sure you wouldn't like this, would you? ;). Generalization is not the best way i can assure you that.

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(5 months ago) #105 yunero

you wanna tell me that fly is neutral? roflmao
come on, grubby is in asia a scapegoat and apparently you don't need actual facts to get support in this comunity these days .
but again all this crap does not matter, cause you can't punish someone for acting according to the rulez. if you want him get punished for this behaviour, then talk to the officials before the tournament and ask them to integrate into the rulebook. *period*

all you do is babbling nonsense to destroy his reputation. that doesn't change anything in the fact, that the administration acted as they did (and the did right to my point of view) and it doesn't help the comunity either.
If you want to blame someone of false behaviour (although in can't be punished by rulez) then start with thooo, what he did to grubby in ROTK.
Although Thooo is my favourite player atm, this is as bad as that thing what grubby did. so clean you own closet first, before requesting others to clean theirs...

(5 months ago) #106 wNv\|VBadGirl

Sure is neutral why wouldn't he be. He is from another team and respected in the community as well as Sky is.

As for Grubby being a scapegoat hahah (i like the term i must say :p ) it's not true. Grubby has in fact a lot of Chinese fans who support him blindly just the same you do. He isn't hated or looked down because he is european but on the contrary.

As for his reputation and me blabling some words, well he doesnt needs my words to ruin his reputation he does a great job on his own.

If you believe that watching something secretively compares with pausing a game then our talk is done right here.

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(5 months ago) #109 yunero

1. fly had a reason to be angry on grubby, remember?
2. you don't read any articles around lately, are you?
3. just proving my point.
4. it's the unpausing without asking to be precise and that gives you even a bigger advantage as watching a replay.

(5 months ago) #110 wNv\|VBadGirl

hahah he unpaused because of a mistake as he was trying to save the game. If u actually had the curiosity to watch the replay (which i bet u didnt) u'll know the pause-unpause was only a fraction of a second, not enough to give th000 any advantage. What grubby was saying at the time was just BS and searching for a re-match excuse because that game was a disgrace for any orc player. What orc loses to a human on a highly biased orc map? well apparently Grubby. "4. it's the unpausing without asking to be precise and that gives you even a bigger advantage as watching a replay." hahaha OMG... x.x.. hahahah... you gotta be fucking kidding me right?? hahahah. did u even watch the replay? Hold the S cause i'm an AINT.

(5 months ago) #24 Phil

Oh so TH000 can clarify that he didn't watch the replay, while Grubby is a liar. Now, I'm not sided with anyone, but it seems like there is a flaw in your argument here ;-) I'm forever blowing bubbles!

(5 months ago) #2 FBD\|Wizardro

I would have been nice to give Grubby the chance to respond before posting here... I'm looking forward to his official statement "Only the dead have seen the end of the war!" Plato

(5 months ago) #3 masaa

at least its nice that MyM shows both sides of the story not only those of their players. way to go.

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