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22nd June 2008, 17:50

SK disqualified from EMS DotA

After accumulating a total of 10 penalty points for the inability to follow some tournament rules, the Sweden SK DotA team has been disqualified from this season of EMS. The admin team over at ESL claimed they have been trying to warn the team about their penalty points and to take care of certain issues but they were left unchanged.

SK were issued these points due to several circumstances:

Complete team sheet with public player photos and real names displayed
Prematch statements posted before the match is played
Replay and/or screenshot uploaded after the match

Their game against Sweden Mouz DotA was reversed and Mouz was given a default win. SK DotA will no longer be able to compete in this season of the tournament and there are other teams in danger of disqualification as well such as Slovakia SGC.

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(5 months ago) #1 blaze89

good decision http://www.mymTw.com - Head of Content

(5 months ago) #2 kiN_-

Over such a simple thing... wow :\|

(5 months ago) #3 aKabadmannerz

whats their manager doing.. -.-

(5 months ago) #4 Seaflower

To bad for SK.Pretty lame but thats the rules.

(5 months ago) #5 SKLoda

Blaze89:
How is that a good decision you fucking pos? Do you have any idea what so ever of what you are talking about? A site that doesn't inform the teamleader that they have to much penalties and has closed down the option to even fix the problem?

(5 months ago) #8 MYM\|Maelk

Check your e-mail :D

no re

(5 months ago) #14 RAAMZES

ahhaha :D

(5 months ago) #23 hellstar

poor u Loda :) DOTA COLA !!!

(5 months ago) #31 Phil

It is selfowning to say that a league should remind you of the rules. That is your own God damn job as a player. And if the players can't cope with it, you have managers for that.

I'm forever blowing bubbles!

(5 months ago) #33 EESTIPuppy

Haha, funny.
Leagues don't make a good team.
Good teams make a good league.
If you want to be a good league, take care of the good teams.

Simple as that.
You screw up a top team with oblivious rules that are useless to even point out. But its ok to disqualify top teams if you wana look like a sh*tty league. It's a nice way of showing that we're powerful and stupid.

Tbh I didn't like the EMS admins. They were only annoying with useless e-mails that were just ignorant junkmail to everyone.

These basic rules shouldn't even affect disqualifying and should be punished with another way. You can make 100 faults in football and get only 1 yellow card. Only the yellow card represents closer to being disqualified.

Last edited by Puppy at 23.06.2008, 18:39

(5 months ago) #34 Phil

Tell me something; will the good teams be attracted by the good prizemoney?

The EMS is basically a pilotproject for ESL; is DotA worth going into on a larger scale? While the numbers might indicate a yes, the maturity of the DotA-community has answered with a stunning no. When a team like SK Gaming (now, this is generalization, but live with it), which is pretty damn professional, can't cope with minor administrational burdens like having the right information on the lineup, or filling out a pregame statement, then how the heck should the smaller teams be able to?

Minor penalties (note the plural) adds up, and should of course lead to disqualification. If they don't add anything to the league, why should the league offer them anything?

What people need to accept is that the leagues are giving things away, based on what the teams can give back. ESL is giving 70.000€ out in the German ESL Pro Series; wouldn't the DotA-players like to get a piece of that kind of cake?

Last edited by Phil at 23.06.2008, 19:12

I'm forever blowing bubbles!

(5 months ago) #35 EESTIPuppy

Thats what I hate the most.
All you think of is how the scene lacks professionality while the professionality hasn't even come from the leagues yet. It's both sided and very drastic, plus you cannot blame it all on the players. I would not believe that SK.Loda doesn't care about those "penaltypoints", or even if he knew such a thing excisted, cause I definitely didn't.
Are you saying you know a lot about the DotA-Community while being an admin or a newscaster, interviewer or some-sort, I would say not. That is already having no professionality for the other side.
Your statement that players can't cope with administration is completely biased. Admins who don't evolve professionalism are as bad as the players who don't cooperate with the rules.

Minor penalties should not lead to disqualification. And if they don't add anything to the league, then by all means neccesary, just don't let any teams play then...

Last edited by Puppy at 23.06.2008, 20:24

(5 months ago) #36 Phil

The thing is, the best admin'ed leagues are found in the ESL. They have built their core concepts on that.

And if you have been participating in a league, without reading the rules, then you have no rights to speak about professionalism - at all.

I'm forever blowing bubbles!

(5 months ago) #38 EESTIPuppy

I have read the rules and I know all of the picture jibberish and all of that stuff. I even remember that they took some chinese team like Bfly out of ESL just because they didn't have the pictures done on ESL. To me, that is pure sh*t to be honest. It does matter if you read the rules, thats true, but the main rules for a team is to play fair and be mannered. Every professional sport have those as their core concepts. Last edited by Puppy at 23.06.2008, 21:33

(5 months ago) #6 _rlzabnorm

stupid decision 100 %....for what?

(5 months ago) #7 PMSRinoa

Kinda sucks cause SK's been doing so good on 6.52 T_T sounds like a lot of miscommunication She's a maneater

(5 months ago) #9 neXtBird

damn site, he doesnt call u loda

(5 months ago) #10 myMYM\|Heldarion

I don't even understand why you get a penalty point for "Prematch statements posted before the match is played" wtf...

(5 months ago) #11 haanz

Let SK play! =/

(5 months ago) #12 Loki-tama

1.Complete team sheet with public player photos and real names displayed 2.Prematch statements posted before the match is played 3.Replay and/or screenshot uploaded after the match lolz.... really wtf is this? some kind of joke? and i thought they used unrostered players to play lol.

(5 months ago) #13 EGWhisper

Pfft crazy admins.. BRING BACK DAYDREAMS

(5 months ago) #40 Metro-

+1...

(5 months ago) #15 DavidChoe

Those are some sad reasons to DQ someone... It's not just them too. Looks like some other well known clans are right on the brink of being DQ'd..

(5 months ago) #16 aD.Beast_Pete

Pretty stupid rules, but if those are the rules and by signing up they agreed, then the disqualification was well earned. Though I would change the rules, except for the 3rd one (which is much needed, because teams are always so lazy posting results, replays and SSs).

(5 months ago) #19 myMYM\|Heldarion

I don't even see how any of those 3 reasons makes sense X_X Last edited by Heldarion at 22.06.2008, 23:39

(5 months ago) #17 Oompa

Hate seeing teams likely to win tournaments get kicked out over rule breaking especially petty things like this. I haven't seen VP in a league since the x6 fiasco.

(5 months ago) #18 Morbz

wow, pathetic

(5 months ago) #20 Luck92

lool

(5 months ago) #21 Rrageshlol

Whats next? you cannot say gg (good game) at your opponents what`s the problem with that, Were players crying or what? whatever as they like

(5 months ago) #22 4KFmatthe88

rules>>>teams You find this basically at every professional sport. If you join a tournament, you agree to these rules that were made. But sad that a team with really good winning chances is out. ╦╦╦╦╦╦╦ The fence of the Ancients ╦╦╦╦╦╦╦

(5 months ago) #24 Phil

The rules works out fine for all the other games. What you guys don't understand is that ESL is trying to elevate electronic gaming to a point where people can actually take it serious. For that to happen, the players also have to take it serious - thus they have to follow the very rules the tournament has.

While rosters, statements and demo's might not seem like the most important thing to you, it is an invaluable part of ESL's system; Firstly it creates a better connection to the players and teams when pictures and logo's support peoples interpretion of them. Secondly it creates a lot of traffic for ESL when people visit the team and player-profiles, and thirdly it gives the eSport-media tonnes of good material to work with - which again secures more attention of ESL's tournaments.

When ESL decides to put time and effort (not to speak of prizemoney) in a tournament - the least you could do is following the rules.

I'm forever blowing bubbles!

(5 months ago) #25 aD.Beast_Pete

Yes, that's the problem currently teams think that admins are all for them, and whenever there's a decision they don't agree with, then they immediately start bashing admins. I once got bashed for not being biased and not moving the team to a different position on the bracket, lol. I mean, what are they thinking?

(5 months ago) #26 Phil