MYM - *** Hoorai proved banktransfers

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13th April 2008, 23:15

*** Hoorai proved banktransfers

A week ago, the manager of German organization Germany hoorai.XQ Lari ''D.Devil' Syrota stated in an interview with GosuGamers that they do not want to see their key player Finland Undead elfittaja leave this early.

He said: "If Samuli refuses to play for hoorai.XQ, it is the only logical consequence that he will not be eligible for any other clan unless his contract runs out. Of course, our contracts would make it possible for us to force him to continue playing for us, however we do not see any point in doing this. As long as he is not interested in achieving the best possible results for our team, we have to get along without him."

Yestarday, Russian Fede- Gravitas Gaming announced the joining of Finland Undead elfittaja (See - GG acquires elfittaja ). On top of that, Gravitas manager Germany suNNy has confirmed the attendance of the Finnish Undead at the upcoming CESO2008.

Today however, Germany hoorai.XQ manager Germany Jerome 'je' Evans told readmore.de that there will be a protest at the ESL and the G7, should the player represent Gravitas Gaming at any tournament.

What the future holds for the 17-year-old remains unknown at the point of writing.

Update: The saga continues with 2 statements made public from the respective managers.

myMYM contacted another manager, Germany Lari 'D.Devil' Syrota as well, who responded with the following statement:

The situation is pretty clear: hoorai.XQ does have a legally binding player contract with Samuli Sihvonen. We neither broke the regulations stated in the contract nor made use of the player transfer provisions. This means that elfittaja has no right to dissolve his contract and become active for Gravitas Gaming.

Any claims about hoorai not having fulfilled its contractual obligations towards elfittaja do not have any fundament as we can easily prove. Furthermore, we did not provide him any reasons not to be satisfied with hoorai's support as we successfully put a lot of effort into giving him the opportunity to improve as a player.

Gravitas' transfer fee offer was not adequate at all, so we made clear that, under these conditions, we are not willing to let elfittaja go. Of course, it is really disappointing to see that Gravitas decided to present him despite knowing that he's still under contract with another esports organization, but let this be their business.

As a matter of fact, a clan like hoorai has to be able to rely on its players and the legal force of the contracts to be successful in the long run. Therefore, it is of utmost importance for us to make sure that our contracts are respected. As soon as elfittaja becomes active for Gravitas Gaming in any tournaments, we will draw the corresponding consequences which include barring the player from tournament play and more.

There is no reason why we should give in to Gravitas Gaming: We do not have any difficulties with fullfiling elfittaja's demands and, as an esports organization, are not inferior to them in any way.

Over at GravitasGaming.net, Canada cbnz replied with the following press release:

Recently Gravitas Gaming proudly announced an addition to our organization in Samuli 'elfittaja' Sihvonen. In October of 2007 elfittaja signed a contract with Jerome Evans, the representative of hoorai (as hoorai are not a registered German entity). During this time we were seeking to sign a quality Undead player, and ended up speaking with Samuli about joining. Although the contract was not set to expire until June of 2008, Samuli informed us that he had been missing payments for salary, and had not yet been reimbursed for travel to an event.

We tried at first to settle a deal with Jerome to transfer Samuli. After some very abrupt and rude conversations we took his contract to a lawyer in Hamburg and informed him of the details. Very quickly we were told that both the illegally large fines in the contract, and a lack of salary payment invalidated the contract. Samuli then gave notice (a courtesy, not a legal requirement) that if they did not pay him the entire missing salary in full he would legally terminate his contract. This prompted hoorai to start a public misinformation campaign where they blamed Samuli and claimed to have done absolutely nothing wrong. To this day Samuli has yet to receive the entire payment entitled to him.

We've tried numerous times to deal with this issue privately with hoorai, but they continue to insist on bringing it to a public forum. After consulting with our legal council on a number of occasions before signing Samuli, we are more than confident that both Gravitas and Samuli stand on the correct side of this issue. We hope that hoorai will soon see this for what it really is, and won't continue to libel our team and player.

myMYM contacted again the manager, Germany Lari 'D.Devil' Syrota and here is what he had to say about Gravitas statement:

Once again, we would like to stress that claims about elfi not receiving his money are not true. Also, it is not true that we wanted to take this into public as elfittaja simply left our team accounts making it necessary for us to vindicate ourselves towards the press.

Update:

According to the German newspage readmore.de hoorai's manager Germany Lari 'D.Devil' Syrota has shown proof from the bank that elfittaja has received every salary. In Feburary, it was delayed for three weeks but in the following month it was on time. The contract of the 17 year old undead gamer was also signed by his parents.

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(4 months ago) #1 ZxeR

pretty sad ;(

(4 months ago) #2 MrGekko

You shouldn't sign a contract if youre not gonna live up to it. I hope he will get punished, otherwise it would be bad for professionalism in esports. Why would teams make contract and pay players if the players just fuck the team and do as they please?

(4 months ago) #6 myMYM\|genozstriker

Very quickly we were told that both the illegally large fines in the contract, and a lack of salary payment invalidated the contract.

You shouldn't make a contract that the player is going to sign and agree on terms if you also do not full fill with your promise. Simple Elfittaja sign and plays for Hoorai, they do not pay him, he doesn't play for them and he breaks the contract, actually they already done it so ya.

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(4 months ago) #12 MrGekko

Well like i said you shouldn't sign a contract if u can't live up to it. This applies to the team as well as the player of course. I just assumed hoorai fullfilled their part since the news only stated that he broke the contract at the time i wrote the comment.

(4 months ago) #3 MYM\|losemann

thats going to be the next online drama? :-/ [www.myMYM.com] - Everything you need!

(4 months ago) #4 Kompik

hmm i hope he plays for gg, he started playing s*it since he is in horai - the team is not on his skill level. but its his problem for signing a contract so i am pretty curious how this turns out.

(4 months ago) #5 GoaT

Stupid mistake. Nine Vires Nors

(4 months ago) #7 myMYM\|Rakhilim

lol say bb hoorai :D

(4 months ago) #8 SquiRReL

he did recieve it, just a month late :/

(4 months ago) #17 myMYM\|nebu

he recieved jan./feb. regulary just the march sallary had a 3 week delay.. turn on, tune in, drop out..

(4 months ago) #9 myMYM\|uNder

what a drama .. tolly shocking ! even if you lose > never give up !

(4 months ago) #10 myMYM\|An1mA

Will the drama soap continue ? Agianst All Odds~~

(4 months ago) #11 technics

yay finally some new drama :D

(4 months ago) #13 flesh_de

hoorai sent bank vouchers to readmore.de, proving that elfi recieved all the money hoorai had to pay him seems like Gravitas is going to get kicked in the face with leg :/

(4 months ago) #14 Legato

Once again, I find it really hilarious that hoorai is considering taking legal action on this issue. When myself, nilk, pato, naniwa, rukie etc were in hoorai, they failed to make any payments at all to the players and just said "we can't fulfill our side of the contract, sorry!" ... and continued on as if it didn't matter So now after stomping all over our contracts, a year later they are INSISTING that the player follow his. Yet ontop of this, cbnz seems to assert that hoorai's contract not only has illegal clauses, but failed to make all payments and reimbursements to elfitajja Guess which side I believe?

(4 months ago) #15 Shival

If they've send bank vouchers I'll go for hoorai..
Something that's in the past (as in resolved) shouldn't be used for arguments in the present. People and organisations can change.

Although, "Very quickly we were told that the illegally large fines in the contract,..." could be a huge problem for hoorai.

(4 months ago) #31 xpr1mnt

I think "something that's in the past" is making Hoorai's current reputation. We should ask Roccat cs team (ex-Hoorai) and ex-HooraiWC3 team, what do they think about this organization.

Last edited by xpr1mnt at 14.04.2008, 13:08

(4 months ago) #33 Shival

Sure, they've got the reputation. But it cannot be used in an argument, as it's only proof that it happened before. It doesn't hold any credibility in this case.

(4 months ago) #32 xpr1mnt

I think "something that's in the past" is making Hoorai's current reputation. We should ask Roccat cs team (ex-Hoorai) and ex-HooraiWC3 team, what they think about this organization.

(4 months ago) #16 verGe_desRow

WORD LEGATO! EY guys what u doin?

(4 months ago) #18 Noname

Assuming that elfi didn't get paid - What happens if elfi gets all the salary and stuff that hoorai promised? Doesn't that make him eligible to play for hoorai again or get benched as per their demands?

off topic -> drama!

(4 months ago) #39 hoorai.DDevil

This is not the case here because we don't have any debts towards elfittjaja.

Still, it's an interesting point you got there. Actually, as long as he did not file a complaint against the delay, it would legally even work out. We had an absolutely similar case with DNA, who was under contract with evoplay, in September 2007: They actually removed the whole WC3 team and weren't really going to keep DNA, but still recieved a transfer fee because the contract was still in force for three months - the missing salary was claimed to be a delay. Although this might be pretty annoying, you just have to respect these regulations if you consider yourself to be a serious esports organization.
Sidenote: Funnily enough, the transfer fee we paid for DNA at that time is almost equal to the elfittaja transfer fee offered by Gravitas (eventhough evoplay didn't even really want to keep him). Well, okay, doesn't matter...

Last edited by DDevil at 14.04.2008, 15:43

(4 months ago) #41 myMYM\|Phil

Another ot question: Are you using G7-certified contracts?

I'm forever blowing bubbles!

(4 months ago) #43 hoorai.DDevil

No, at the time when we signed him, the G7 contracts weren't released yet. However, we are using them now.

(4 months ago) #47 myMYM\|Phil

Okay. Great step :) I'm forever blowing bubbles!

(4 months ago) #19 MYM\|losemann

as readmore.de states, he got paid and they showed the bank transfers. according to them february was 3 weeks late but rest was in time. [www.myMYM.com] - Everything you need!

(4 months ago) #20 manhunter321

my god wats happening with him you will know and recognise me after somtime

(4 months ago) #21 DirectC

If guy try to cheat hoorai, they should take all legal actions against him and his new team.

(4 months ago) #22 technics

tune in next time for "as the e-sport world turns!" :P

(4 months ago) #23 oX

It looks like elfittaja just isn't mature enough to live up too his contract. You just don't join organisation if you're still under contract with another.

(4 months ago) #24 cultking

That's the problem you get if you (have to) do business with children.. T_T

Pull me down again and guide me into pain.

(4 months ago) #26 Malystryx