A week ago, the manager of German organization
hoorai.XQ Lari ''D.Devil' Syrota stated in an interview with GosuGamers that they do not want to see their key player
elfittaja leave this early.
He said: "If Samuli refuses to play for hoorai.XQ, it is the only logical consequence that he will not be eligible for any other clan unless his contract runs out. Of course, our contracts would make it possible for us to force him to continue playing for us, however we do not see any point in doing this. As long as he is not interested in achieving the best possible results for our team, we have to get along without him."
Yestarday,
Gravitas Gaming announced the joining of
elfittaja (See - GG acquires elfittaja ). On top of that, Gravitas manager
suNNy has confirmed the attendance of the Finnish Undead at the upcoming CESO2008.
Today however,
hoorai.XQ manager
Jerome 'je' Evans told readmore.de that there will be a protest at the ESL and the G7, should the player represent Gravitas Gaming at any tournament.
What the future holds for the 17-year-old remains unknown at the point of writing.
Update: The saga continues with 2 statements made public from the respective managers.
myMYM contacted another manager,
Lari 'D.Devil' Syrota as well, who responded with the following statement:
| The situation is pretty clear: hoorai.XQ does have a legally binding player contract with Samuli Sihvonen. We neither broke the regulations stated in the contract nor made use of the player transfer provisions. This means that elfittaja has no right to dissolve his contract and become active for Gravitas Gaming. Any claims about hoorai not having fulfilled its contractual obligations towards elfittaja do not have any fundament as we can easily prove. Furthermore, we did not provide him any reasons not to be satisfied with hoorai's support as we successfully put a lot of effort into giving him the opportunity to improve as a player. Gravitas' transfer fee offer was not adequate at all, so we made clear that, under these conditions, we are not willing to let elfittaja go. Of course, it is really disappointing to see that Gravitas decided to present him despite knowing that he's still under contract with another esports organization, but let this be their business. As a matter of fact, a clan like hoorai has to be able to rely on its players and the legal force of the contracts to be successful in the long run. Therefore, it is of utmost importance for us to make sure that our contracts are respected. As soon as elfittaja becomes active for Gravitas Gaming in any tournaments, we will draw the corresponding consequences which include barring the player from tournament play and more. There is no reason why we should give in to Gravitas Gaming: We do not have any difficulties with fullfiling elfittaja's demands and, as an esports organization, are not inferior to them in any way. |
Over at GravitasGaming.net,
cbnz replied with the following press release:
| Recently Gravitas Gaming proudly announced an addition to our organization in Samuli 'elfittaja' Sihvonen. In October of 2007 elfittaja signed a contract with Jerome Evans, the representative of hoorai (as hoorai are not a registered German entity). During this time we were seeking to sign a quality Undead player, and ended up speaking with Samuli about joining. Although the contract was not set to expire until June of 2008, Samuli informed us that he had been missing payments for salary, and had not yet been reimbursed for travel to an event. We tried at first to settle a deal with Jerome to transfer Samuli. After some very abrupt and rude conversations we took his contract to a lawyer in Hamburg and informed him of the details. Very quickly we were told that both the illegally large fines in the contract, and a lack of salary payment invalidated the contract. Samuli then gave notice (a courtesy, not a legal requirement) that if they did not pay him the entire missing salary in full he would legally terminate his contract. This prompted hoorai to start a public misinformation campaign where they blamed Samuli and claimed to have done absolutely nothing wrong. To this day Samuli has yet to receive the entire payment entitled to him. We've tried numerous times to deal with this issue privately with hoorai, but they continue to insist on bringing it to a public forum. After consulting with our legal council on a number of occasions before signing Samuli, we are more than confident that both Gravitas and Samuli stand on the correct side of this issue. We hope that hoorai will soon see this for what it really is, and won't continue to libel our team and player. |
myMYM contacted again the manager,
Lari 'D.Devil' Syrota and here is what he had to say about Gravitas statement:
| Once again, we would like to stress that claims about elfi not receiving his money are not true. Also, it is not true that we wanted to take this into public as elfittaja simply left our team accounts making it necessary for us to vindicate ourselves towards the press. |
Update:
According to the German newspage readmore.de hoorai's manager
Lari 'D.Devil' Syrota has shown proof from the bank that elfittaja has received every salary. In Feburary, it was delayed for three weeks but in the following month it was on time. The contract of the 17 year old undead gamer was also signed by his parents.
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pretty sad ;(
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You shouldn't sign a contract if youre not gonna live up to it. I hope he will get punished, otherwise it would be bad for professionalism in esports. Why would teams make contract and pay pla
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thats going to be the next online drama? :-/
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hmm i hope he plays for gg, he started playing s*it since he is in horai - the team is not on his skill level.
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Stupid mistake.
Nine Vires Nors
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lol say bb hoorai :D
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SquiRReL
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he did recieve it, just a month late :/
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what a drama .. tolly shocking !
even if you lose > never give up !
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Will the drama soap continue ?
Against All Odds~~
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technics |
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yay finally some new drama :D
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hoorai sent bank vouchers to readmore.de, proving that elfi recieved all the money hoorai had to pay him
seems like Gravitas is going to get kicked in the face with leg :/ | |
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Legato
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Once again, I find it really hilarious that hoorai is considering taking legal action on this issue. When myself, nilk, pato, naniwa, rukie etc were in hoorai, they failed to make any payments at all to the pla
So now after stomping all over our contracts, a year later they are INSISTING that the pla Guess which side I believe? | |
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If they've send bank vouchers I'll go for hoorai..
Something that's in the past (as in resolved) shouldn't be used for arguments in the present. People and organisations can change. Although, "Very quickly we were told that the illegally large fines in the contract,..." could be a huge problem for hoorai. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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WORD LEGATO!
IN THA BUTT ?!?!
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Assuming that elfi didn't get paid - What happens if elfi gets all the salary and stuff that hoorai promised? Doesn't that make him eligible to play for hoorai again or get benched as per their demands?
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as readmore.de states, he got paid and they showed the bank transfers. according to them february was 3 weeks late but rest was in time.
[www.losemann.asia] - my blog
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my god wats happening with him
you will know and recognise me after somtime
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DirectC
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If guy try to cheat hoorai, they should take all legal actions against him and his new team.
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tune in next time for "as the e-sport world turns!" :P
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oX
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It looks like elfittaja just isn't mature enough to live up too his contract.
You just don't join organisation if you're still under contract with another. | |
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That's the problem you get if you (have to) do business with children.. T_T
Pull me down again and guide me into pain.
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I smell teh photoshop
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e-sports lol
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imagine if elfi ate with his salary and it was late, he would have starved, this is very unprofessional by hoorai!
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Quoting Satiini: They won't go to court and you know why? Because the ones who signed the contract were his parents not himself so.. case lost already. Hold the S cause i'm an AINT.
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e-sports becomes more risky for pro pla
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I hope this does go to court, I wonder how EU will handle E-Sports contracts. Here in the US, courts have not recognized these contracts as legally binding. (Unfortunately)
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lolxxx17984
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"hoorai's manager Germany Lari 'D.Devil' Syrota has showed proofs from the bank that elfittaja has received every salary"
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Stupid kid deserves to be spanked. GOGO hoorai!
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Meibas |
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This story is good but the comments here make it even better :) guessing is nice way xd
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Quoting DDevil: Now I am getting really confused because Hoorai said initially the contract was signed by legal guardians (his parents) now they say they have both signatures? In fact judging by law terms, his signature is void anyway since you said it yourself, he is underage. You cannot take him to court only ba Also I suggest you guys figure out another solution because I think you have failed to fulfill contracts in the past , which will surface in an eventual process and which will tarnish your credibility and lose any process you might consider. That is if your case doesn't gets dismissed for calling to court the wrong person. Hold the S cause i'm an AINT.
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I dont know how it is in the rest of the world, but when u turn 15 here u have the legal possibilty to sign a contract that legally binds u in a period of time, this is ofcourse if the money u get is enough to support urself.
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This may be a little "biased" coming from a kid himself, but if you think about it, when you sign a contract, it is set in stone. You can't blame this on him being a kid. Let's say that I was offered a place in some gosu team I really wanted to join, if I was already part of a commitments, I can't break it. It's somethings that people just aren't really taught anymore. Commitments are commitments and that won't change. It's really just I guess a lack of understanding on Elfi's part, and a coaxing from Gravitas. The way I see it is, Elfi is clueless because Gravitas said their lawyers would handle it. And the grounds that mainly holds Gravitas together in this statement is that Hoorai is not defined as a full-blown copyrighted group whereas many of the pro teams are. Regroup E-Sports, SK-Gaming, it's all been taken and settled in courts with full papers to back them. What Gravitas is saying is that Hoorai never did that. Now this could all be quite unlikely, but without full viewing of the contracts and the payment summaries, the public will probably only ever see the surface of this dispute. Really just a lack of honor is what it comes down to, promises are made not to be broken.
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freeze
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Cant believe that some of you seems to think that he is only a "kid" that doesnt know any better... he's 17 ffs.
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Dont understand why its so hard to make a payment in time. Seems like all teams delay their salary payment ><
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lol.
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bad for elfi
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Gravitas manager Zloy posted some information that Gravitas will clear the situation tomorow. Also he said that ESL didn't banned Elfi(dunno anything about G7 actions). It seems, that Hoorai will lose this battle.
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