Blizzgamers or Failgamers? Tournaments appear and disappear all the time. Now it is time to follow one tournament disappearing – LIVE! BLIZZGAMERS, a tournament organized by the page called (www.Blizzgamers.com) and the guy in charge is the 20 year old Frenchman Dimitri “MaliSunSet” Valette. According to Dimitri this tournament is sponsored by Blizzard. On all big scene pages this event is featured with news, where Blizzgamers present the tournament lineup and the grid: (screen shot taken from myMYM.com news) Insider sources confirmed, that MaliSunSet approached potential players with the promise of several pro gamers – who are not playing - playing there too. Doesn’t that already sound strange to you? Well let us just assume that they players, who confirmed their participation, canceled due to lack of time… Let’s just leave that point there where it is and go to the second point: A tournament sponsored by Blizzard is not on the page (click for Blizzards Tournament page), that actually sounds a bit strange, but well there can still be the excuse, that not all tournaments are listed there (eg: Blizzards Season Finals are not listed there too…). And where is the Blizzard logo? Or do brands nowadays put money into a project without presenting their name or their logo? And if a page like this gets the sponsoring of Blizzard, why isn’t it proud of it and announce it big on their page? Let’s assume a bit again, and just say Blizzard sponsors them and just do not want to be on their page… Just go to the next point, in the interview with a big scene news page he was talking about a price money pool of at least 2000-3000 US Dollars. How can that be? How can he get this amount of money in such a short period of time? A few months ago the organizer was talking about a tournament with a price money pool of 200 USD and now there suddenly is a “0” more at the end. (Screen shot taken of the news at www.SK-Gaming.com) Even Zotac Cup or other “bigger” cups never managed to get such a high amount of money. But he was stating that he found investors who will pay for this project. OK! The page of the tournament also states: "This website is not affiliated or run by Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. Copyright (C) 2007 www.BlizzGamers.com. All rights reserved." Just to mention that he approached the players saying that he is sponsored by Blizzard, many sources confirmed this. There is also no information about the company behind the tournament of AT LEAST 2000 USD. Many sources just remind me of this being a not serious organization and the only contact is a MSN. Is it a private man? Is it a company? No information can be found at all. Even the rules do not state anything. Does the scene really need tournaments which have no solid financial background? How can they succeed? Are they building a kingdom out of air and fake promises? But all in all the tournament leaves a lot of questions to be answered. We please everybody to think yourself about this tournament and get your own opinion towards this organization. Related links: - News on Blizzgamers - News on SK Gaming - News on myMYM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ All sources will remain secret and this is the final answer. This is just a summarization of the thoughts towards this tournament. This opinion is the personal opinion of Robert “Perdita” Rust and Matthias “Losemann” Beyer. It has nothing to do with the companies they work for! If we are wrong about this topic and we can see a tournament growing then we will personally apologize to the organizers. Let us just wait and see if there will be a 2000 USD tournament held by Blizzgamers in late August or September.

 

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(10 months ago)  #1 Celial

nice write-up Last edited by Celial at 14.08.2008, 03:54 Do not regret. Always forward and never back.

(10 months ago)  #2 vTMirhi

If that's all true, that is a bit shady. Would like to see organizer respond.

(10 months ago)  #3 GenoZStriker

Wow, I never actually never look deep into things but can't imagine all the things one can actually find. Demigod ESL 2v2 Opening Cup - http://www.esl.eu/eu/demigod/

(10 months ago)  #4 Elven_Star

Let's see what Mali has to say... Elen sila lumenn omentilmo

(10 months ago)  #5 Frozenik

Looks strange, I thought that Mali is a v. mature guy.

(10 months ago)  #6 GKoOJustLittlestar-

Nice write-up Losemann ! Well , looks very strange in my opinion , just unknown tournament starts with price money equal 2000$!! Also , where is information about sponsors? I Tryed to find any information about sponsors , but it's just impossible... So i really dunno guys...But in fact , if all promises about moneys are true , and if this tournament will really have place to be , so it would be just Great and Funny , to see , how TFT players show their Skills in ROC :) Just as we all know TFT and ROC are not the same! So the verdict is - " opinion in progress ". Just guys , this tournament = your reputation :) So do your BEST! Last edited by JustLittlestar- at 14.08.2008, 07:47 We are 4Kings

(10 months ago)  #7 Wind

It is indeed strange to see how a tournament can be inflated to such a massive one in such a short span of time. It sounds a bit like BET as well, when they got Fov and Sweet under their ranks, with no one knowing who was the real sponsor at that point of time. Still, i'm interested in hearing what mali has to say :)

(10 months ago)  #8 MaliSunSet

Well first i really like to apologize but i surely haven't said correctely what i wanted to say, these money will be for the tft tour we are organising. This roc tour is jsut for fun and for free. About this Blizzard thing, we ar ejust helped by them for some things, i never said they gave me money etc ... I'm really if i haven't been understood, my bad. Another point i would like to lighten, all the players i contacted, either they wanted to play it, either they didn't want and all those who are in this tournament told me yes ... Well can i say more, i'm sorry it was supposed to be fun and now ~ hf : )

(10 months ago)  #9 MYM|Mercy

Quoting MaliSunSet: Well first i really like to apologize but i surely haven't said correctely what i wanted to say, these money will be for the tft tour we are organising. This roc tour is jsut for fun and for free. About this Blizzard thing, we ar ejust helped by them for some things, i never said they gave me money etc ... I'm really if i haven't been understood, my bad. Another point i would like to lighten, all the players i contacted, either they wanted to play it, either they didn't want and all those who are in this tournament told me yes ... Well can i say more, i'm sorry it was supposed to be fun and now ~ hf : ) Mate, your said this: *"I contacted most of the players and we know the prize money will be at least $2,000 and The winner of this tournament will automatically qualify for the TFT tournament in October.* That clearly says that the 2K are for the RoC tournamenet and then they even autoqualify for the TFT tournament where you have not disclosed the prizemoney yet. If you want to be taken serious you need to answer in a way that cannot be misinterpreted with a clear mission statement and clear rules. I for one stick to the theory that where there is smoke there is fire. Knowing my destiny - Is accepting your defeat...

(10 months ago)  #10 MaliSunSet Yes i'm sorry but what i said on msn and what has been quoted there is a bit different ...

(10 months ago)  #11 SqRqH

Nice read =) But let's see how things will happen, who's right who's wrong, time will tell... I don't suffer of insanity, I enjoy every second of it.

(10 months ago)  #12 verGe_desRow

ROFL, this guy is such a joke, i remember him contacting me 4-5 months ago to sponsor my dota team giving 100-200euro a month(lol ?). Fake sponsors, just a wanna be that wanna try doing something in the scene and getting known, if theres a tournament of 2k in october, imma wear a clown suit and do bungie on a bridge, take picture and show it to all of u i damn swear it! Last edited by verGe_desRow at 14.08.2008, 11:26 IN THA BUTT ?!?!

(10 months ago)  #13 mighty_honour_korea

To be fair, I was speaking with him before anyone picked up the news and he told me, quite clearly, the only prize for this event was a participant slot in a TFT tournament later in the year. It's also important to note his English isn't very good, it does look to me like he was speaking about two different events. If the event hasn't been announced yet, why would they have announced any sponsors? I'm not saying it's legitimate, I'm saying this seems to be blown out of proportion.

(10 months ago)  #14 TargA10

not failgamers without nfail players

(10 months ago)  #15 Malystryx

"A few months ago the organizer was talking about a tournament with a price money pool of 200 USD and now there suddenly is a “0” more at the end." I want to say I rewrote his statement to make it more clear for readers because it was very confused, but what I meant was that the $2,000 is for the TFT tournament not the RoC tournament. So my fault for this not being clear regarding the statement on SK Gaming, he was talking about two events, just the fact I seperate the quotes made it seem like the $$$$ was for the ROC tournament. I take the blame so don't hang him out to dry yet regarding the statement. Last edited by Malystryx at 14.08.2008, 12:45 Lawrence "SK.Malystryx" Phillips ~ SK Gaming

(10 months ago)  #16 MaliSunSet Maly i really appreciate this but it isn't your fault, i would have a better english nothing of this would have happened, i'm really sorry :(

(10 months ago)  #17 XATMO8G

Honestly I don't see why losemann is making a big deal over the tournament entries, why they host and all that. Neither of the MYM players are participating so I don't think he should worry too much. Apart from this as long as they pay the money in the end does their financial background really matter?

(10 months ago)  #18 4KFmatthe The biggest problem is now, if these players will participate there after that what Looseman wrote... and if this RoC Tournamen will not be held because of lacking players, I doubt there will be players to participate at the TFT Tournanemt... I guess his opinion is important for the e-sport scene since everyone knows him.... But I hope that all players will come and play this fun RoC tournament that is based on a marvellous idea ╦╦╦╦╦╦╦ The fence of the Ancients ╦╦╦╦╦╦╦ (10 months ago)  #20 XATMO8G   Honestly I don't know what losemann is trying to say here. 2000-3000 is not THAT hard to get. Even a college student can get that money in a few months. Besides its their tournament therefore they can change their minds anytime and like Perdita said its not officially announced yet. (10 months ago)  #21 Perdita You don't get the point - nobody simply gets 2000$ and invests it in one tournament. When you got that amount of money from an investor, he wants to advertise himself but there is nothing on blizzgamers. And it is not correct that they can change their mind whenever they want to: Blizzgamers made promises without a backround anyone can see - this is not the base for professional eSport. It's good to be bad!

(10 months ago)  #19 Perdita

The question more or less is: Do they really pay or is it just an empty promise - at the moment there is nothing that indicates a prize money of "at least 2000-3000 US Dollars", the tournament has not been announced officially and no legal notice or imprint can be found. It's good to be bad!

(10 months ago)  #23 4KFmatthe So the only problem you guys have is that a new tournament starts with a lot of price money and you dont want to believe in that amount of money? So you rather say this tournament is a fake now and destroy the possibilty for this tournament to become big? If there hadn't been this bad quotation by Malystryx on the SK page I guess you wouldnt have any opportunity to write this... And I hope you also know that because of your bad publicity the tournament might not start? Even if there is a sponsor, who is not announced yet because there might be hundred of reasons could deny his decision to sponsor because of that what you two wrote? What you two did reminds of this http://www.mymym.com/en/article/797.html ____________________________________________________________ _ I know you are NGL-One admin and I could also say that you maybe do not want a new rivalry with a new tournament? I could say this without having any proves as you did. Maybe this what I wrote is complete nonsense but you did actually the same. No proves, only a hypothesis, some quotations of fake quotes and infos interpretated by help of your imagination. Now it is time to follow one tournament disappearing – LIVE! It should be rather Now it is time to follow one tournament disappearing - LIVE! thanks to Looseman and Perdita ╦╦╦╦╦╦╦ The fence of the Ancients ╦╦╦╦╦╦╦ (10 months ago)  #25 Perdita We investigated and found out that there are several weird statements with different amounts of money, promises and announcements regarding the TFT-Tournament. Without any notice of sponsors, the guys behind or an imprint it is hard to believe in the professionality. And if the sponsor really exists and the amount is fixed he won't deny his decision. It's good to be bad! (10 months ago)  #27 losemann Now it is time for me to talk. Where can you see any rivalry between a league and a tournament? There is no chance that you can say there is any rival aspect behind this. Fact is, that this tournament has been announced on several pages and also the fact is that this tournament has no structure behind. There was a guy saying that 2000-3000 USD is easy money and that every colleague student can get this money within a few month... AHA! I didn't know that,.. And that is why so many people are not paid in esports and that is why leagues have no price money at all, since it is sooo easy to get this amount of money. It does not matter if Losemann (note: it's written this way) or Perdita said anything, we just told the community our feelings and opinions about a tournament which is upcoming. That SK-Newsman Malystryx got something wrong at the quotation is whos fault? Mine? So everytime I read a news or an announcement I should expect it to be wrong? Comon, this is not the way of living and the English of Mister MaliSunSet is not that bad and you can't blame anyone for having a bad English (mine is not that good either), but you cant just use it as an excuse: "I promised things, but I didn't know what I am saying..it is because of my poor English". Since the moment you enter a level where you talk about price money of at least 2000 USD or even more, then the fun part gets pretty small. Also I have to say something about the way he tried to get players for his tournament. I know that the players in there are really willed to play this tournament for fun, which is nothing bad. SINCE it is also not a bad idea to hold such a tournament. But if the team chief says: "No" to a tournament and then the organisators keep approaching the players and keep on harassing them... how does that sound to you? I never intent to make a league or tournament die, I intent to see the honesty in Esports is missing and in this article we asked ourself - loudly- questions and hoped for an answer. I do not know how you feel about just believing in a tournament that pops up with such an amount of money... YES its not easy to get 2000 USD or more for a tournament,... and believe they will actually pay? If even old tournaments need a long time to pay and they have actually established themselves with full time employees. I wish the players, who are actually playing this tournament, a lot of joy playing it since it is actually a good idea to go back to the old times, which are not that old anymore, due to the new patch. kind regards [www.losemann.asia] - my blog (10 months ago)  #32 Malystryx the sk quotation was just one of your points, plus it seemed clear to me, but its now crystal clear ;) I too think its suspicious but I'm willing to give him the benfit of the doubt =] Lawrence "SK.Malystryx" Phillips ~ SK Gaming (10 months ago)  #33 4KFmatthe First of all thanks for the answers by Loseman and Perdita. Any sry for the double oo :D I didnt even noticed this. This thing were two leagues compete was only an example and I never thought Perdita would do it but I wanted to write something senseless without any proves as in my opinion you did also. One problem was ofcourse that said this TFT tournament is fake but there wasnt even one as it seems to be: Quoting Chibi from lizzgamers: About the 2000-3000 dollars tour in October which were never officially confirmed by the mangement team yet. We are still in the process of planning and I'm sorry for the misunderstanding Mali might had on this. First, our website is NOT sponsored by Blizzard. Although, Blizzard DID sponsored some of our events the past year such as giving us several tickets to Blizzcon2007, I was able to send out 5 people from my community with those 5 tickets, and in addition to that where I was also invited to part of their fan sites community project. You basically made of a mouse an elephant. And for your whole deduction you only used quotes, instead of asking Mali or Blizzgamers, what he/they really want to say. You acted like this: There is something someone said, we believe in it, we wont ask him again. But this is the way many celebrity magazines act (I really hate that) and in my opinion there werent enough investigations made. When there is something unclear, you only need to ask these people who made this statement. At the end it even apperad that Malystryx made a mistake buy faking accidently Mali's statement, but his thoughts were positive. We live in a world where everyone can commuincate with each other, why isn't anyone doing this?? Last edited by matthe at 14.08.2008, 18:45 ╦╦╦╦╦╦╦ The fence of the Ancients ╦╦╦╦╦╦╦ (10 months ago)  #34 Malystryx faking accidentally Lol XD Getting a little bored of this whole affair tbh ;( Last edited by Malystryx at 14.08.2008, 18:05 Lawrence "SK.Malystryx" Phillips ~ SK Gaming

(10 months ago)  #22 wNv|VBadGirl

I wouldn't have anything against this if they would have been fair to start with. I bet some would have still enter for the fun of it and for the sake of old times but the way the entire thing was carried out is a little kinda of .. ;/ Hold the S cause i'm an AINT.

(10 months ago)  #24 Gascan

How those "nonames" were able to organise such tour with such prize, and got such good tft players.. since they got no support from any organisation. I mean, cmon. Do you really think that Hot and TH000 got time or will to play, tour made by some unknow organisation? For me its just one big imagination, since blizzgamers.com is just personal blog of some ppl writing there abusing their admins right. They hear only what they want to hear, otherwise you got ban :> If idiots could fly, BNET would be a fkin airport !

(10 months ago)  #29 wNv|VBadGirl You'd be surprised how naive some are ;). Hold the S cause i'm an AINT.

(10 months ago)  #26 aRcHie

this can just make me laugh, but they aint new on giving prizes, they already gave money for other roc tournaments like 150$ or 200$ for winner, and blizzard gave them also roc caps!! loool

(10 months ago)  #28 GoaT

http://www.blizzgamers.com/Webforms/Comments.aspx?id=5986 Nine Vires Nors

(10 months ago)  #31 Perdita "About the 2000-3000 dollars tour in October which were never officially confirmed by the mangement team yet. We are still in the process of planning and I'm sorry for the misunderstanding Mali might had on this." So you definitly made promises out of nothing and kept on trying to get players into your tournament that feature no money with option of taking part in another competition that has never been confirmed - even internal. It's good to be bad!

(10 months ago)  #30 underatker

was the article started to create conflict?? i agree with #17 ;\

(10 months ago)  #35 Lun-

wow. gg. better get things cleared up. (:

(10 months ago)  #36 aRcHie

when they OFFICIALLY say the prize will be CERTAIN AMOUTN OF DOLLARS it will be true, dont worry about it, if they pay what they promisse to roc players which are totally amateur TRUST ME they will to progamers, just trying to fack blizzgamers.com and u guys, rly shudnt its big and strong community which already knows about ppl talking shit and wont give a care of what ppl can (SHITTALK)

(10 months ago)  #37 AOR

Ridiculous article ... attack the little guy amirite?

(10 months ago)  #38 Wind You are obviously seeing it from the wrong perspective. Isn't it better to stop the fire when it's small before it grows to burn your entire house down?

(10 months ago)  #39 lost

to be honest, ye, it sounds like a fail and i am convinced, that it will be a fail - although i'd really have liked to see some roc magic again.

(10 months ago)  #40 zenist

This whole newspost is however just so disrespectful towards the Blizzgamers community, just because MaliSunset had half brain eaten by his dog or whatever doesn't make it justified to throw all dirt upon Blizzgamers. He's working for it, yeah, but I don't laugh at entire myMYM.com just because of this Matthias "loser-man", although it makes me a little sceptic.. Besides Mali's psychotic "$2000"-talks the whole event reserves alot of RESPECT, it's really fun to see it happen and managing to get it together is really good job. And blizzgamers is a very SMALL organisation in beta-stage. Writing crap about the smaller people might be easy when you have something as big as MYM behind you. It's not cool to kick downwards and lick ass upwards. Make love, not disrespect..

(10 months ago)  #41 losemann The guy in charge of this tournament was in this case Malisunset and not Goat. He was starting to harras people in a bad way as I said and with wrong arguments and if he is running around as Blizzgamers, then he is representing them. And he was the guy approaching all, which means he is in charge for that. I never said the organisation blizzgamers suck or the idea of having this tournament suck. I talked mostly about the way of approaching the players and for example with fake sponsors .. and that is a wrong way and should not be tolerated. I do respect Goat or Endars a lot, but if like in this case Mali approach the players he is in charge for this whole mes.. you just come here and flame me as "loser-man" which is pretty low tho. And if you could read by opening your eyes then you could actually see that this should not be supported by MYM or any other organisation behind me or where i work for. That was the main-reason for me not writing an official article, since those things I would write FOR MYM. This blog / colomn or whatever is written for ME. Read this: The information posted on this space is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. The opinion of the author does not necessarily represent the opinion of MeetYourMakers. And also read this: This is just a summarization of the thoughts towards this tournament. This opinion is the personal opinion of Robert “Perdita” Rust and Matthias “Losemann” Beyer. It has nothing to do with the companies they work for! It is not cool to kick downwards or upwards, it is not cool to kick around at all, but if there is something going wrong, then some things should not remain secret. I am not here to be the community whore who everybody has to like. I can have my OWN opinion about things and I am free to tell them, even if opinions are wrong sometimes. Then the opposite site has of course the right to prove me wrong. And having a discussion about things, even if they are in public is better than to remain quite about everything and just take everything as it comes. If there is something going wrong and in this case there was, then I would like to inform the people about my thoughts. It is just my opinion and if you don't care about my opinion then you are free to not care. I did not force you to care,... "Make love, not disrespect..." and you come up with a sentence of "loser-man", thats the kind of discussion uneducated people are having. That is exactly the thing, which is bad about the scene. I never say I am smarter than anyone in this scene, but many people just don't behave smart or educated. That does not mean that you are uneducated - this just means that your way to talk to me is pretty childish... But well that is esports i guess. The person Malisunset is a nice guy and he was always nice to me, but with this tournament he went too far and I do not see myself going too far. I just want to tell the community about my thoughts and my fears towards this tournament. And if there are arguments which are wrong or not true, then I am glad to get answers from the head admins. Goat gave me answers and they were good and we decided not to throw much dirt around. For me this topic is pretty much over - it i just people like you, who should maybe start growing up, eventho this is internet and the fact that you can hide behind a monitor or a firewall, doesn't give you the right behave like you do. so long, "loser-man" [www.losemann.asia] - my blog (10 months ago)  #43 GoaT Your a loser man. stop that loser man talk. bah this joke sucked so bad. im bored Nine Vires Nors

(10 months ago)  #42 zenist

Yeah I can agree maybe the approach was not the smoothest, but well I think he tried to act in good morale and just didn't know it was wrong. Ok I understand u tried to be a little more objective than I first took u for, its good u try to investigate matters like these.. But writing things like "Blizzgamers or Failgamers? Tournaments appear and disappear all the time. Now it is time to follow one tournament disappearing – LIVE!" is just so.. not nice.

(10 months ago)  #44 Dendra

if they pay the prize money - fine, if not - shame on them. same happened to draco in pgl as i think he still didnt get money for that event and it was huge, as for this 2k USD thing - this is wc3 so i cant comment from that perspective but for example in starcraft one man started a team which payed players entirely from his pocket, that lasted for months...hell even 2years in total or something, some mediocre teams get up to 500 USD per month from sponsors so whats the big deal in getting 2k USD? summer jobs, etc., there are tons of possibilites and i personally dont like rushing to conclusions until all facts have been checked and every possibility explored - here i see an open attack on someone who may or may not be guilty, yes nobody likes murky business and events pulling ppl by their noses but pointing finger at someone based on assumptions isnt a nice thing in its own way. im guessing the rule "dont start a war unless you can handle it coming to your doorsteps" applies here as obviusly author believes he has enough facts behind his back to prove his point, this will turn into a futile debate when the bottom line is - let them be, if they cheat ppl, fine so be it, ppl will know and wont fall for it again, if it doesnt affect you then why bother, i mean there are thousands of real cases where ppl got/will get tricked, etc., you cant fight against them all. personally im more concerned about wc3 community lacking moral values when it comes to ladder gaming, with progamers giving free wins to each other and stuff like that, such things dont belong to esports, perhaps that would be a better subject to write about...dunno :) Last edited by Dendra at 17.08.2008, 03:12 If force won't work, use greater force.

(10 months ago)  #45 svkSacco

desrow is right ... he was the wannabe mym dota admin how can be people so naive :D ?

(10 months ago)  #46 Dc_r_us

This kind of 'journalism' disgusts me, you cant just put a "?" at the end of your blogs/news/bullshit, whatever it is you're calling it, and justify publicly slating someone like this (without even talking to the person concerned?) with no consequences, one day MYM will go to far and have a libel suit on their hands. And as a secondary thought, you can't simply use the "distance yourself from MYM" defence, when this controvesy arises when you are posting on the MYM site specifically to use their traffic to get more readers, otherwise it would be on your own personal webspace. Last edited by Dc_r_us at 17.08.2008, 22:10