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02nd February 2009, 15:15

I fear for eSports

The credit crunch may well prove to be fatal for a young and most of the times naive business such as eSports.

Earlier last week, it had been Pfizer to cut 19,000 jobs, Philips to axe 6,000 employees and Fiat to threaten to show the door to a total of 60,000 workers.

On Thursday, it was Meet Your Makers to announce 21 job cuts.

While most of the community may not believe there is any connection between these incidents, the truth is MYM's shock announcement just goes to show how fragile the e-Sports business really is.

While, for example, football clubs rely on sponsors, advertising, gates, TV rights, player sales and private investors, the majority of eSports' organizations can only count on the support from sponsors - which, in the grip of recession, always tend to engage on cost-cutting moves - to finance their operations.

AMD, for example, which supports the likes of SK Gaming and x6tence and made headlines in December when it announced it would no longer continue sponsoring mTw, has confirmed it will cut 1,100 jobs and impose temporary pay cuts to respond to "tough business conditions".

So how long do you think it will take before other companies start cutting sponsorship deals?

Not even the tournaments can dodge this bullet. The ESWC can no longer count on NVIDIA - which announced in late 2008 it would cut its workforce by 6,5 % - as main partner, while the WCG has seen Samsung's support weaken and will hold no European Cyber Games this year at CeBIT.

And even the ESL - touted by many as the main pillar of eSports nowadays - seems to be suffering the effects of the financial climate. In fact, the ESL has yet to pay the prize money of the European Nations Championship and the Extreme Masters Global Challenges.

Furthermore, it has been confirmed that the EPS Scandinavia Finals have been postponed because of "unforeseen and uncontrollable circumstances." A rearranged date has yet to be announced.

When looking at the seven members that compose the G7 federation, one can see that three of them - Meet Your Makers, mousesports and Evil Geniuses - proudly exhibit Intel as partner.

In fact, the U.S. company is also the ESL's head sponsor. So can you even picture what would happen to today's eSports should Intel - which announced last week it would cut up to 6,000 jobs - go bankrupt?

Oh G7, Where art thou?

And where is the G7? That same federation which, in April 2006, announced its creation with a speech so heroic that made even the most skeptics shed some tears.

If the G7 is alive and kicking, then how come no measures are taken, meetings arranged and decisions announced? Practically nothing of the "cooperation with leagues and tournament organizers" has been translated into tangible material.

The community needs some answers from those in power and nothing better than hearing from the G7 to give people some peace of mind.

But the federation seems blind, deaf and mute, completely oblivious to a situation that has escalated and seems to have no light at the end of the tunnel.

In truth, the G7 just watched from the stands while MYM offered Warcraft III players the highest wages in the business knowing that no other non-Korean organization would be able to match such financial power.

And now that MYM have discarded the Warcraft "millionaires", the other organizations are left reaping what MYM sow. You almost must feel sorry for the teams that sound out the likes of Grubby and Moon, only to be deterred by their asking wages. No offense, but no-one likes to go from a Ferrari to a Fiat Panda.

Will E-Sports live through 2009?

One cannot help but think that something is wrong when elite Counter-Strike and Warcraft III players are without a home.

And 2009 will most likely bring many changes to several organizations, with some folding and others unable to put together the financial package required to retain the services of their players.

This means that those with hard cash ready to be spent will find themselves kings in a kingdom built on shaky ground.

For the record, I am not saying eSports will disappear or their days are numbered. But the truth is that the future looks as dark as Batman as every organization now faces a daunting task: a battle not for growth, but for survival.

Some analysts suggest that a period of recession is ultimately healthy for an economy. I agree, for it is in such moments that one realizes his mistakes and what has been done wrong. Sort of a reality check.

The organizations need to rethink how business is done and, as Mark Peter Fries said, they need to "look upon further cooperation and collaborations" - and that's exactly where the G7 should enter - as the "survival of the fittest" metaphor will prevail.

The yearly calendar has just lost its first event and, by the looks of it, more could follow. And so we enter a vicious circle: with less sponsors, we have less events, which means sponsors have less opportunities to show off their brands. Therefore, less sponsors.

eSports today may be weaker when compared to two years ago because of the financial climate. However, if the involved parties are able to cope with the current crisis and find new ways to do business, then tomorrow will only bring a stronger eSports.

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(last year) #1 RESTINPEE

Well done stating the obvious

(last year) #8 Wind

Did you actually read or did you simply skim through the article? My bet would be on the latter :)

(last year) #50 hellstar

Hey Wind, u r still in MYM editor team :) GJ, the article shows lot of truths.

DOTA COLA !!!

(last year) #52 Wind

Not really, I'm just helping around now :)

(last year) #57 hellstar

^^ DOTA COLA !!!

(last year) #55 roskii

typical restinpee haha crafted from the souls of gods.

(last year) #2 The1Crow

Such a great article with a lot of truth... Some ppl come into our lives and quickly go. Some stay ever!

(last year) #3 VisarkA

MTG <3 thats a good enchantment lol :D great article

(last year) #38 BA\|frequency-

u play mtg yana? :O <VisarkA> one night ended with me sleeping in jolies bed

(last year) #4 StreeTo

You got the point MIRA, I am wondering what is going to happen with KODE5 tourneys as they have announced so many qualifiers and therefor a lot of money to be spent.... www.gravitasgaming.net

(last year) #5 flyy90

ye not bad article ;} I Go Harder

(last year) #6 angelexian

Survival challenge, seems Esports is on the brink of extinction XD....

(last year) #7 angelexian

As Rachel would put it in the Dark Knight, "have faith in people". Have faith in the sponsors... I hope Esports will have a happy ending. If they can't keep it up.... GG no re.

(last year) #9 hancu

hmm i have a couple of criticisms to your article/opinions. so first off don't even try to make an assumption that intel would go bankrupt coz it's out of the question. it provides so many jobs for people that it would be impossible for the government to let them collapse. obviously it's a recession and in short words that means smaller demand, subsequently smaller supply which leads to people getting less money and companies offering fewer jobs. it's a natural cycle of the economy and it's not the first nor the last time events take such a turn.

with the previously mentioned conditions companies might cut back on sponsorships. probably some teams or tournaments will get disappointed but surely not all of them. the top teams which have assured a long-lasting relationship with sponsors won't loose anything. Companies sponsor in order to market themselves; well the basic idea is that successful companies are the ones that invest in marketing during a recession, so that they can (according to a recent McKinsey report - check it out on FT.com) collect the gains when the market starts revitalising itself.

on another point of view maybe this can be taken as a sign of alarm. we (as in the gaming community) have high aspirations for the development of our industry yet there's only a handful of people out there actually making a difference .maybe teams should try to solidify their basic structure, and work more as companies and less as esport teams; take advantage of their main assets, such as players, writers, even managers to make money and auto-support themselves. a strong industry cannot raise solely out of sponsorship deals.

btw if you're not pleased with g7 ask your boss what the hell is going on and why isn't he doing anything; it's useless to point out fingers as the g7 cannot move mountains. i really think that people like bds, jason lake, mercy and everyone else out there in the first lines are doing a good enough job at the moment.

general conclusions: good article, i totally respect your views yet i feel that it's exaggerated, unfounded and maybe a little bit of lacking factual support. please don't take it as an offense, it's just my personal point of view

(last year) #12 DNRandoyX

Wow. Just wow... I actually read your comment first than the whole article! +1 A world w/o walls and fences - who needs Windows and Gates?

(last year) #21 Dendra

your entire post and thoughts make more sense, whereas the blog is...well it isnt ;) +1 to you for making this read a meaningful experience If force won't work, use greater force.

(last year) #32 technics

nicely put :D

(last year) #44 ARODannyboy

I think people are also forgetting one simple fact, people play games for fun. They play them because they enjoy the thrill of winning, killing or outsmarting thier opponent, pulling off an awsome move that gets the adrenaline pumping. Even if professional sponsorship of teams die down eSports as a community will never die until that simple fact dies, which I dont think will. People getting together with thier friends to make a team will always happen and these teams will rise to the top as we see time and time again with competitve games. As to your argument about the successful companies market thier products through endorsements, sponsorships of teams and competitions I couldn't agree more. People also have to remember gaming is now 3-4 times the size of hollywood in terms of net profit. Companies will NOT let that sort of money die, no matter the economic conditions. Marketing is apart of business and promoting your product in tough times is a very tough thing and requires cut-throat decisions. But there will always be money, look at the superbowl they made over 500million in one day just purely from advertising on TV. As for the Global meltdown, it's a shake-up of bad practice and bad management. It will bring out inventive and smart ideas as crisis always do, "Necessity is the mother of invention". It will also bring out the companies and business who have practiced high quality money management and resourcefulness and these business who buckle down and tough out these times will be the ones to profit at the light at the end of the tunnel. But anyway enough of ranting, everyone has opinions and what they think can or will happen or should happen only time will tell what really will happen.

(last year) #10 MIRAA

First off, I'm not making an assumption that Intel will fold, it's just for people to realize just how dependent on sponsors the organisations really are and that's probably why we are where we are right now. If, for example, Intel decides to stop sponsoring eSports, or even if it folds - just picture it, as I said - can you imagine how it would affect eSports?

My opinion on G7 is written in the article, I don't have to talk to my boss like you say, first of all because he is not the only one there. By that I am not saying he is the only right man in an organisation filled with wrong people. But this is my opinion and, if it changes some things, then I will be happy with it.

Last edited by MIRAA at 02.02.2009, 16:10

(last year) #33 technics

intel not sponsoring and intel going bankrupt are two VERY different things.. its just refocusing their resources. so a silly assumption Last edited by technics at 03.02.2009, 00:09

(last year) #11 JohnnyB-122

#9, I totally agree with you that this article is exaggerated, unfounded and maybe a little bit of lacking factual support. it's easy to write such topics in these times. but in fact the writer does not know any valuable information.

(last year) #13 Lun-

sound sad

(last year) #14 Zechs

Nice read, if somewhat depressing. One of the things i think we might see, and have already to some extent, is the revival of online competition. It's not ideal, but it's cheap and promotes a regular season - something esports (with the exception of WC3) has never really had since the fall of CSCL/Eurocup.

Writer of The Zechs Files at sk-gaming.com

(last year) #20 therogue

EMS?

(last year) #23 LINKAGE

It's kind of living in the shadow of EM, not that known and even though it has good teams participating, the relationship with the media is not that good, resulting in a massive lack of coverage. www.fraglider.pt

(last year) #15 dunn

. Last edited by dunn at 02.02.2009, 23:08

(last year) #16 Flex-

i remember that G7 was foundet on the strongest teams up to date, kinda wanna ask if mym is supposed to be in the G7? Sup?

(last year) #17 imperator-xy

nice article, but my opinion is a little bit different. i think esports will stop growing and have a hard time for some months or even a year now, but after this it will continue growing like it did the last years. maybe it will be even faster. and btw. if starcraft 2 is the game we all want it to be it could save esport i think

(last year) #18 Say_Maki_Pls

I think we need to go to mars and live there... now, earth sucks @@

(last year) #19 drinn

You don't have to fear for eSports, because you don't have to. And it's NOT "economy crisis" fault that MYM got job cuts, it's the organization's own fault. Having more than 200 people @ the staff (obviously not all of them are contracted (?), but probably quite a big share of it) tells enough how badly the organization is doing "the magic", if other organizations can do the same thing and 1000x times better at the same time with nearly 15-20 people or less. And obviously not all of these 15-20 people are contracted, just the key members.

If you fear the economic crisis, then it will hit you. But if you don't, then it will not hit you. Spreading fear is completely ridiculous and not acceptable. For example our local media keeps naming a light financial downturn as a high recession all the time. It looks like they want a crisis to happen. And this article is basically doing the same thing to global eSports scene.

Just ignore the so-called "economy crisis" and continue living your own life.

(last year) #58 J1mmy22

absolutely agree

(last year) #22 fnatic.Roychez

The economic crisis is quite over-rated in my opinion. Ofcourse, the economic is lower than it have been for quite some years, but the media is scaring people, and thus people will keep an eye on their wallets, which will result in an even worse economic status. The key to a good economy is that the money keeps rolling, people just have to spend it. Esports will never get near extinction, until everyone throws away their consoles. If the crisis actually hits, the paid/contracted eSports people will have to chew on a piece of wood for a while, and we'll find out who really love esports and who do not. www.fnatic.com

(last year) #24 iD-Virtuoso

Hmm..
let's hope Obama loves playing games. :D

Meet me @ Garena: iD|Virtuoso

(last year) #25 melvinwaaa

Eye2x.. If you ain't first, your last.

(last year) #26 ChWlooser990

well i just had to comment on this1. first of all i agree with article and with #9 completly and i just may add for some of u that just said that we can simply ignore economic crisis: ''Its not easy to ignore it everywhere in world. For example, today i heard that one of my teacher's friend from Germany had to sell his 2nd car... o_O
HELLOOO here in serbia it is common for many families not to have car and that is the way of living that has brought this crisis to us. I mean why u need 2nd car or another house or all new fancy stuffs? Bcs of cool look or some elite friends? Well if u knew how to spend ur monney [and here i mean to the most of WE and US] we wouldnt be in this crisis. And finaly for EE and most of Asia and i think whole Africa this is just a normal development of things in eSport and world economy''... peace
best regards looser990

p.s. longest reply in my life :)

Last edited by looser990 at 02.02.2009, 20:15

(last year) #46 ffreakk

If they are spending money, even on useless things like 10th car, its probably the 2nd most effective way outside charity to send money to places that need them. Spending increase cash flow which improve the economy as a whole. Now if he dun buy the cars n save the money, thats big problem.

People are born in different places, under different circumstances, just cos hes 100x richer than u doesnt make him fker n u a saint, live w it =/.

PS: <- no car too, no money for lunch either, cheers :).

(last year) #56 ChWlooser990

i understand that dont worry but the problem is that they had so many credits and not cash for that things... :)

(last year) #27 IMsososoRRY

exaggerated

(last year) #28 weenus

Very valid article, it's a growing concern and I think a lot of people know about it but aren't acknowledging it. However, a problem that is equal in size for the well being of eSports in the community and it's attitude. Perhaps it's only the American scene, but I truly believe a lot of the eSports readers and community members no longer want eSports to succeed and grow. They want it to stay the same tiny size of teams playing each other Online for nothing, just so they can spec HLTV and complain on forums. People don't seem to want to see eSports expand or take that next step anymore, they would rather troll and flame than support and nurture.

(last year) #29 MrOw

it's already a quagmire...not fear for esport...esport as far as im concerned is fucked until new stimulus comes out...such as sc2...

also the asian scene is somewhat reclusive in terms of world e-sports growth, they are not exactly helping...

I Feed On Your Tears <3

(last year) #35 Dendra

korean standards are different from those of for example european players. if you start living up to their standards you might get their attention and perhaps even earn some respect. they are quite oblivious as to what is going on in the world, and why should it be any different? for the sake of saving wannabe progaming, better not >,<

Last edited by Dendra at 03.02.2009, 00:39

If force won't work, use greater force.

(last year) #36 LastDance

Hey Dendra, has the global credit crisis had much effect on the SC scene in Korea? I'm just a little curious.

(last year) #39 Dendra

hehe i havent followed sc in general for a few months, but from what im hearing from ppl things just keep going better. i mean the way progaming teams function they are pretty much independent, whether someone invested cash in usa or not doesnt change their status one bit.

i mean for the korean progaming scene it would be more of a question how did the global crisis affect the korean society. for the progaming to feel an impact 1st you'd need to see all of its layers taking a hit - compared to the progaming outside korea which is based on investors - #9 made a nice post on it and how the esport teams should function if they want to survive.

the whole global crisis is just being put everywhere now, only people that are in trouble are those who ran bad business, simple as that.

If force won't work, use greater force.

(last year) #47 hellstar

I have some Korean friends, they say their economy is down much but they still play lot of SC lol. DOTA COLA !!!

(last year) #43 Aoyos

go xcn?! An nescis mi filli?Quantilla sapientia mundus regatur...

(last year) #45 MrOw

i said asian...nice to see how quickly you jumped to korea...if they are oblivious...then those who sees Kespa as the only e-sport ranking worth to keep an eye on are also oblivious...

I Feed On Your Tears <3

(last year) #48 Dendra

i know what you said and i explained to you why korea is so cut off from the rest of the world - it couldnt care less about amateurs, that's the easiest way to put it. cs, wc3,<insert anything> "progaming" is a complete zero compared to sc progaming in korea.

let's compare the two sides - koreans love sc for its competitive nature.
european+rest wc3 community cries about it, saying all mechanics of the game should be automatized so that they can focus on the strategical aspect of the RTS - my dear children then go play turn-based strategies. why do you think blizzard is making sc2 so easy?automining button, autoselect300buildings button, automicro button (dancing dragoons in sc compared to blinking stalkers, geez they turned art into a one button joke). they have to make things easy for you to handle it, or else you'll just drop out because it's too hard to handle and you have to spend years to master the mechanics when all you want is to play a strategical game against people - as i said, there is a game like that, go play that.

the hardcore wc3 players might also like the game cause you need skills for its mechanics2, but sadly those mechanics drop shallow compared to the sc ones - hence comes the lack of respect from korea, among other reasons. players and the community simply have different priorities and taste, i know if grubby walks around my country he'd be a nobody except to the hardcore wc3 facs, same as i know that nada/boxer and such names are celebrities on the national level, simply because the whole korea breaths sc and you cant make the whole world live the same way.

none of your fancy countries has the strength to pull off what korea did, can germany offer itself as the ultimate home for progaming? neah, why bother. you only exist to yourselves, compared to korea when even the f** president trained starcraft to play against boxer - it's a privilege...thats how they made their first steps into the progaming. huge isnt it? maybe obama will train cs to play 1on1 against the best cs player in the world...yea right.

koreans picked the hardest game in their opinion and organised it in a way the world outside korea never will - do you know when the "progaming" outside korea will succeed? never as it cant adapt the korean system, you cant apply it to a situation where you have teams scattered across the world. it's not progaming, it's just a bunch of kids playing at home, playing online leagues and meeting at offline tours, getting money or hardware support thanks to the sponsors.

once actually every team has its own freakin house and god knows what, once everything important (every thing) happens offline and once teams are actually each a company of their own then you can start considering yourself a progamer.

read the following paragraph carefully as it sums up your existence:

until then you are identical to the sc amateur world outside korea - a bunch of teams that pay their players thanks to the sponsors or their own pockets (bartar is the best example, he created the best sc non-korean team with money out of his pocket), yes believe it or not the sc amateur scene is on the same level as your beloved progaming scenes. only difference is that bartar played hundreds of euros, compared to your thousands - so you dared to call yourself progamers just because of "high" digits, well apparently progaming is not just about high salaries, it might work perfectly for the world outside korea though as an easy solution ;) sk and mym did the same, they didnt create progaming, they just brought in more money, bought the players and called themselves the best. well now have fun with your concept of progaming ;)

sc amateur organisation is identical to the wc3 progaming scene, sometimes even better when you look at the environment for sc outside korea where it sadly isnt that popular. oh and yes, there are top class korean amateur teams that have better organisation than your progaming teams, funny isnt it, you cant even compare to the top amateur teams, god forbid actual progaming teams.

so you want korea's attention when you arent capable of moving further in developing esports? all games including sc are stuck in the same hole and they cant dig their way out of it, you went for the easy short-term solution and stick to it for years and now you're paying the consequences - it was fun seeing you but it's your time to say goodbye, sc2 will come and if its any good take the throne of esports outside korea. a new game, attracting same old sponsors, giving life to your same old amateur teams and again you'll meet your death when something new comes up.

korea can do nothing about it, it's the way you chose how to play it, investing any time or money into you would be a catastrophical mistake as your whole concept of esports is like a big anchor and it's dropping low, to the bottom of the ocean - farewell!

Last edited by Dendra at 04.02.2009, 02:33

If force won't work, use greater force.

(last year) #49 MrOw

the problem is that you are neither korean or sc pro...so how does the idea of one country having fun while every other suffers appeal to you?

i read that essay you wrote and you are calling everyone else wannabe progamers??? plus sponsorship in europe isnt the same in china or korea...banks dont sponsor computer game leagues and i doubt companies like coke or pepsi is gona use game players outside of asia to advertise for their product...there is no e-sports industry as far as the term industry is concerned for us...

you can't simply blame the people's mindsets about not taking game seriously or wanting easy entertainment...it's human nature...how many of you boys thought about being pro at soccer but ended up watching pros playing on the telly and screaming at them for making a small mistake? only a few are good, the mass stay focused on those few who can bring them entertainment...

a simple example would be...which would you rather see? Stork vs Savior FPVOD or his bwchart graphs??? they both show that he is gosu...but one is entertaining other is just wtf in viewing terms...why do you think dota is so popular? it's because average joes can also enjoy the game without having 400apm and dancing left hands on their keyboard...

stop being so narrow minded...blizz isnt making games for like 100 few odd koreans so that they can be abnormally skilled and make ppl watch them on low quality internet tv...

e-sports is far more profitable as mass entertainment...it shoud not be about making progamers gods...the industry will only thrive when enough people care about it...

I Feed On Your Tears <3

(last year) #53 Dendra

then id kindly ask of you to remove e-sport prefix as its an insult to games that actually resemble a sport. this isnt a circus, as long as you run it that way it will fall far behind korea ;) sports are not there to entertain, they offer a challenge to human capabilities, out of that comes the entertainment, if you're trying to make foundation of esports based on profit and accessibility to the wider range of people... my interest in esport existence is none as long as people make it that way, i'm quite happy with korea's progaming and it's more than enough for me, games might die in the rest of the world for long as i care as you dont deserve any better. same as many gamers quitting harder games and switching to C&C or dota because they find it ten times easier to achieve something there, to actually reach the top in sc...now that's a challenge worthy of being listed among sports. we all make our choices, bad thing is that in esports you can always degrade yourself to an easier game if you fail in the current one, compared to sports where there are certain standards, if you cant reach them you have to try harder or quit, there is no mercy, no easy way out. you see people in poor regions finding motivation to become the best and dont make me list you examples, on the other hand pc gamers want everything on a plate. i wanna be a progamer but i also want to have fun and play with my friends, and have lots of fans and and and.... progaming isnt for everybody, it's a way of living and it requires sick dedication, fact that you cant accept it and want to make it a "village bike" out of it doesnt help you at all - as doyle would say, you arent a loser until you quit trying. what you gonna be? Last edited by Dendra at 04.02.2009, 04:55 If force won't work, use greater force.

(last year) #30 fams

"as the "survival of the fittest" metaphor will prevail." I think if people spent their money smarter instead of just throwing a lot of it around as 'power' then the E-Sports situation would be better off. http://www.friesport.com/?p=168 Mess with the best die like the rest

(last year) #31 LastDance

It wasn't just MYM who screw over competitive WC3. SK deserves a share of the blame too. They encouraged the salary problem by accepting the demands of the former Korean World Elite players. Come on guys, competitive WC3 was never ready for these figures for salaries. The good news is, there has always been a lot of talent that had been over shadowed by the top tier players. Now these guys will have a chance to touch the lime light and they will be the ones who will resuscitate the WC3 scene. Hopefully sponsors will realize this and start picking these guys up for future investment.

(last year) #34 Mista_Masta

Very intersting article and a nice read.

(last year) #37 hancu

there's a clear need for a second stage of the article :) i'd propose a suggestive title 'The Crunch takes a bite out of esports'. maybe we could a little bit about how WeMadeFox is not affected by the 'almost global recession' -

(last year) #40 rYvSoitGoes

Back to playing board games I guess.

(last year) #41 XATMO8G

Sigh this recession is really affecting esports. Lets hope obama does something to improve it. In any case, I don't think esports will die out. The games right now might, Wc3, CS and maybe even DoTA but once the recession is handled SC2 will come out and just own.

(last year) #42 baesjen

Oh brother, where art thou?

(last year) #51 hellstar

Despite economic downturn, I will buy a copyright of SC2 to support gaming industry :( DOTA COLA !!!

(last year) #54 roskii

Quoting drinn: If you fear the economic crisis, then it will hit you. But if you don't, then it will not hit you..... Just ignore the so-called "economy crisis" and continue living your own life. LOL drinn oh drinn.. You always seem to amaze me. This financial crisis is real, wake up and realise that many companies around the world are in a huge amount of s**t, and quite a few of them have taken the plunge already. You need to accept that even if it doesn't affect you directly, someone you know has probably just been retrenched, or have had something repossessed. You are living in a fantasy world and I really hope one day you understand the true impact of economics on your life, because right now your heading down the wrong path. crafted from the souls of gods.

(last year) #59 J1mmy22

nice read, will read again

(last year) #60 Der_Spotter

HAHA INTEL GO BANCRUPT HAHAHAHAHAHAAA :D:D:D NICE JOKE!!!

(last year) #61 DLBeN-

if just all would notice that esports is more than a game :)

(last year) #62 drinn

Quoting roskii: This financial crisis is real. Oh really? I DIDN'T KNOW!! Better to live in a fantasy world than trusting all what the media is saying. This financial crisis has mainly hit to industry markets like they have always did before, and has always survived from the disasters. This time it's just a little bigger and will take more time to complete full recovery. I'm working too, but luckily I have selected a safe career. I don't have friends, who have lost their jobs due to this crisis, but it's quite normal that someone loses a job at some point. You always find new jobs. Last edited by drinn at 08.02.2009, 13:04

(11 months ago) #63 SoloZ

Great analysis and substantiation

(5 months ago) #64 sndmon

One of my favorite articles :)

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How did you feel about this WC3L? Did you like the format and the group stage? Yes the format is ok even though this way you don't play against all the teams as you did on the other seasons. ...