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06th August 2008, 12:30

Myth of the morning calm

Myth of the morning calm is a personal column, written by myMYM.com's guest writer United Kingd- Richard 'evan_' Armstrong. The opinion of the author does not necessarily represent the opinion of myMYM.com.

South Korea is eSport utopia. The place is sacred, untouchable and an ever present reminder of what's on the horizon. Many have tried to explain why and how the Starcraft society came about, the recent suggestion that an economic recession was the catalyst was elaborate but spectacularly wrong. The idea that South Korea is the future and the West is dragging its knuckles along the floor is equally wrong.

What are the realities of a Starcraft society? Well as you can imagine, being gamers, these are never mentioned. It's always the glitz, glamour, skill, television channels and my god have you seen the salaries? They're huge I tell you huge!

There are three main reasons why gaming in South Korea hit the 'mainstream' and none of have anything to do with glitz, glamour or money. Korea's ethnically homogeneous people, urbanised population and mainstream electronic companies are the things responsible.

Seoul is South Korea, it's a multi-coloured kaleidoscope of incandescent lights, a city built to stimulate your mind, body and soul – 24/7 and at 100mb speed. In 2015, the population is supposedly going to stabilise and more than 90% of the country will be living in cities. 2008 was an “invisible but momentous milestone” according to the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) because for the first time in human history more than half the population of the world, some 3.3 billion people, live in urban areas.

More than three quarters of Korea's 49,232,844 people are already classed as urban and half live in the countries six largest cities. Korea has one of the highest population densities in the world and its cities make a 17th century slave ship look spacious.

South Korea has had an explosive growth in the energy consumption over the last few years

The countries energy consumption, as you can imagine, is ridiculous. Electricity consumption raised 14.83% to 368.6 billion kWh last year, the ninth largest in the world despite only having the 24th largest population. In the space of five years consumption has risen by nearly 100 billion kWh. Burning coal covered in oil and wrapped in a wooden box would be less wasteful than Korea.

There are upsides to city life however and according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), 34.12 million people use the internet. The country has the seventh largest number of internet users in the world but when the infrastructure and population is largely built around one city, Seoul, is it really surprising internet penetration is so high? Even condoms come equipped with wireless so you can, ironically enough, be told how to add inches and lose weight only minutes before you take the plunge into whichever Asian vixen you've intoxicated.

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South Korea has the 9th highest energy consumption in the world

There are a number of fallacies however, a lot of Western countries have similarly high levels of internet use despite appalling connection speeds and services in comparison. The United Kingdom actually has more PC's than South Korea and only trails by less than 1 million internet users despite the severe “digital divide” it suffers.

Unlike Western society there's no divide in Korea, its people are ethnically homogeneous with the exception of 20,000 Chinese - and after all, someone needs to do the dishes. When your entire population comes from one gene pool, the beliefs, culture, history and way of thinking are ultimately the same. When they all live so close together the 'problem' exasperates.

If you're a Warcraft III fan you've already seen this, South Korean players visit Europe and instinctively seek out Korean restaurants. It seems strange to us but they've no concept of choice, free will or variety. Personality, achievement and self worth is obtained through work and careers. Their culture is based on shame and bovine compliance.

So much so that Korea is the very model of contemporary consumer culture and if we already moan about the headlong rush of game designers prioritising graphics over everything else; DD syndrome – big tits and no brain, following South Korea or any modern Asian culture is like given Michael Jackson the keys to a nursery. It doesn't matter if the games picked are 'good' because the principles behind them are bad.

It makes you wonder though, if Starcraft has made it why no other games? Why unlike the European or North American markets does Korea only have one eSport game. Why is there no variety or choice? Now you can begin to see the cracks in Korean culture and its people. Europe has struggled to get to the same sort of level because we're too used to choice. If you don't like Counter Strike 1.6, then you can happily play and realistically earn money through 'Source or Call of Duty 4. Anything which isn't Starcraft inevitably suffers, but because they put all their eggs in one basket they 'made it'.

The accessibility of Starcraft works both for and against gaming in general. You'd be naive to believe that the prospect of mainstream adulation has no influence on the levels of youth unemployment for example. Since 2002, the unemployment rate of people aged 15-24 has increased year on year to 10.2%. The rate for men is even higher according to the United Nations Statistics Division, with 12.3% unemployed – that's one in eight. This doesn't compare favorably to other modernised societies like the United Kingdom which has rates of 7.8% and 9.3% respectively.


Nightview over a busy Seoul. Is South Korea a rolemodel for eSports or a society that has gone too far?

The gamers themselves are hard working chaps though, slaving in front of a hot... computer for 13-14 hours a day for a career with the life expectancy similar to an African infant. Most people can realistically play games for 15 hours a day, but the lure of money, lack of social stigma and common sense offered by Korea's mainstream society, lead Koreans down increasingly introvert and myopic lives in search of 'their' dream and partly to justify the madness.

Unsurprisingly, Koreans have one of the lowest life expectancy rates in the modernised world, even Bosnia and Herzegovina beats them by ten ranks! One of the common practices of Asian business is to hire excessively to cover unemployment, low wages and menial irrelevant work come as standard. Yet the collective success of something abstract hides the lack of individual suffering. Business booms.

Samsung is the richest company in South Korea and Forbes rank the public company as the 59th most profitable in the world. Samsung in case you don't know, produce a variety of electronics, they're also the main World Cyber Games (WCG) sponsor. Their position as a relatively mainstream consumer focused company, backed by their huge finical clout, puts gaming at a significant advantage, development wise. At the same time it actually works against more established markets like Europe and North America.

The richest company in the world is HSBC, a British bank. Until banks, oil and gas companies find a way to exploit the eSports market then we'll fail to find the same sort of 'success' as Korea. Until then the West will have to compete with traditional sports like football for advertising budgets, somewhat unfairly, based on raw numbers.

South Korea is the most overworked, socially retarded country - Japan might challenge, in the world and the idea that we're actually looking at them with anything other than a smirk is mind numbing. If you're still in any doubt or just don't want to believe me, how about the Samsung Economic Research Institute (SERI)? They admit that there are only 300 registered professional gamers in South Korea and that “the Korean economy is facing a serious dilemma as it continues to slow along with surging inflation”. Either I'm being overly negative or we're placing way too much trust on 300 gamers.

 

 
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(last year)  #1 NeverGG
 
nice article!
Better light a candle than curse the darkness!
(last year)  #2 4KFmatthe
matthe
I dont know that much about the Korean life. I only know that there are the best SC players in the world. I joke with my friends that they play 24/7 to achieve this form.
But it seems that the korean life gets far too much infected by this gaming and people get too addicted.

I guess they know in Korea, about what is happening there. Thats is why they do not change it to have a better control over the people...
Last edited by matthe at 06.08.2008, 14:08

Not swearing on internet? It's against my religion.
(last year)  #22 hellstar
hellstar
I imagine a concentration camp where players train >10h per day...hope that they have time to balance their real life.....
DOTA COLA !!!
(last year)  #3 PbCoMp
PbCoMp
Yea nice
(last year)  #4 Dendra
Dendra
well effects of sc are irrelevant as in korea sc isnt a game preventing children from choosing education+regular job because sc in korea is a national sport, pretty much like saying basketball has stolen thousands of young lives hoping to earn money by playing in nba.

problem with starcraft is that it offers too much freedom to the players so basically the more they train the better they'll get (same as in all games? yes but here it's on a different level), the space you have to improve yourself is just endless.

in sports you have a coach from your first amateur steps, trainings are under control, even food you eat, etc. whereas in esports there is no limit, your body can stand 15+ hours of constant playing, you dont have to pay attention at what you eat, you can have iq10 and 200kg and still kickass in a PC game.

but at the same time dont be fooled by sports being healthy - there is NO professional sport that is good for your body, try comparing injuries and deaths in sports and esports...both have their good and bad sides -

not to mention that in majority of sports you dont earn much (if any) money unless you are among the very best in the world, in that aspect sc is the only PC game which comes close to being comparable with genuine sports because the work needed to become top class is just...

it takes years and years of training, simply because of that missing piece called limits to human creativity - there is no upkeep to trample you, no boring animations obstructing your micro, no strict rules preventing you from using exact units you want to use, no "best strategy to do" nor weapon or unit to choose, there is no limit to your physical capabilities - if you can do 30things at same time - sc will give that to you. because of that over the last 10years sc has evolved countless times and it still does,

people obviusly like the challenge it represents, along with glory/money/reputation. if it was just about earning money by playing pc games then koreans would choose wc3/cs/cod/etc. and by investing half of the time they put in sc they'd earn more money there as those games are popular on global level and money spins around them.

when i look at SC and other pc games it is identical as comparing chess and all the other board games, not in the sense that it relies on strategical thinking more than other games but in sense of amount of skill needed to be good at it. it is a double-edged blade, due to its superiority it is the most popular esport game in korea,yet at the same time it represents an unpassable barrier for majority of young lives as they'll simply never ever be good enough to earn money by playing sc,thus ending their lives in misery -

if you look at many best sportsmen then you'll notice most of them had a hard time and barely made for living until they became champions or whatever - nobody said its easy, in the end it's your choice as you do have your own will and a functional brain, sc or any other game isnt to be blamed for increasing unemployment in korea - humans are to be blamed (same as the logic of "guns dont kill people, people kill people" - or was it bullets? hmm...)


-last note, in sports many people use steroids and any possible form of cheating in order to boost their performance, but sports have evolved so much that people are aware of that and fight against it - yet even in something which has been a part of our culture since ancient greece people still cheat and push their bodies beyond all limits - what this means is that basically we cant expect esports to be so evolved to prevent kids from "overplaying", we are at the beginning of a new era, it will take decades for people to establish some control over esports same as it will take decades for people to understand that esports (like sports) arent about cool graphics (made entirely to promote new hardware and attract kids) and having fun - it's about competition, fun comes along with it, not vice versa.
Last edited by Dendra at 06.08.2008, 14:20

If force won't work, use greater force.
(last year)  #7 [SLO]Heldarion
Heldarion
"guns dont kill people, people kill people"

I think the gun helps, though

<Xeqn> someone translated your warding guide to Chinese
(last year)  #26 fams
fams
Yes but the idea for a gun came from a human being, and the idea of using it came from a human being and the access was granted by a human being.

See the pattern?

Mess with the best die like the rest
(last year)  #42 [SLO]Heldarion
Heldarion
wow gj on missing the point altogether.
<Xeqn> someone translated your warding guide to Chinese
(last year)  #18 hellstar
hellstar
Agree with your opinion guy ! SC is really big sport in Korea but it couldnot be blamed for unemployment :)) .... it's a normal problem in many countries... anyways, this article is Evan's opinion :D...
DOTA COLA !!!
(last year)  #31 _evan
_evan
I agree with literally everything you've said, though I do believe the accessibility of games do have a direct influence on the level of unemployment for young people. I also believe that while Starcraft does give you a legitimate career in Korea, it's both less viable and actively works against other varieties unlike mainstream sports.

Football in the west may take the lion share of money and exposure but you can play and make lots of money in loads of other sports, if you're a gamer in Korea and don't like Starcraft (or RTS in general) you're screwed really.
(last year)  #56 hellstar
hellstar
You know evan, in Asian countries, many people play game (online and offline) all days ... and it's seem to increase the unemployment in my country. But in fact, unemployment is normal problem in developing countries for long time and now it sends more and more young man to internet centers and the games keep them out of real life ... it's a vicious circle.
The worst effect from game is that teens are playing a lot and it undermines their study and health so not good for their future. It also increase violence ... hackers who steal items in online game account will be stabbed by swords...
p/s: It's hard for me to say in English .. sorry for it :D...

DOTA COLA !!!
(last year)  #59 GoaT
GoaT
Hey, think of all the new jobs we've gotten in China for WoW farmers: ) Thats working against the trend your showing. The future is here and will fuck your beliefs up!
Nine Vires Nors
(last year)  #5 Centauri
Centauri
Just one question; have you ever been to Korea evan?
(last year)  #6 Wind
Wind
You missed out one big point; why are Koreans so supportive of PC Gaming instead of other platforms. Anyways, I don't get the general gist of your article. Are you trying to explain why Starcraft (or gaming in general) is so huge in Korea?

Nonetheless, it's quite obvious that you've done quite a lot of research for this article, so good effort there :)
(last year)  #21 hellstar
hellstar
I think it likes the bad effects from esport(SC) on Korean society/economy...? Very hard work to write it..but I don't know why it's not convincing imo :| ...Have Evan been in Korea ?...
DOTA COLA !!!
(last year)  #8 Kennigit
 
................I dont agree with anything written here at all. Guh i could write a full article on how this is all flawed. Just read it again, and its just offensive off the cuff dribble.
Last edited by Kennigit at 06.08.2008, 16:11
(last year)  #9 Army
Army
Second that..
(last year)  #11 CryMeAReaver
CryMeAReaver
I agree. Most of the conclusions are without bringing forward proofs. Second thing is he obviously has no idea of the korean culture. It is just strange to him because he cant understand it. His last sentence is a proof for that:

"South Korea is the most overworked, socially retarded country - Japan might challenge."

Probably he cant imagine that some people might thing the same of the UK and the USA.
(last year)  #28 _evan
_evan
“Most of the conclusions are without bringing forward proofs. Second thing is he obviously has no idea of the korean culture. It is just strange to him because he cant understand it. [...] 'South Korea is the most overworked, socially retarded country - Japan might challenge.'”

The article is literally chock full of “proofs” but did you find it more appropriate to simply ignore them because then it would coincide with your own opinion? The irony here's of course that I could've used facts provided by the Korean government only and you'd still say there was no proof.

Just to reiterate, Korea is the most overworked nation in the world, that's a standalone fact, but just to reinforce my own point I also supplied statistics proving they die earlier as well. In the West, living in cities actually increases your life expectancy but in Korea it decreases your life expectancy, there's obviously something very wrong and it has nothing to do with me not understanding their 'strange' culture.

You take the word retarded too literally, they're socially abnormal compared to the West because there's no diversity and 'free will'. The people are ethnically homogeneous and live in the same environments so it's easy to please one taste (and culture) and it just so happened that they liked gaming, so gaming is 'big'.

Just for reference and to answer some others, I've not been to South Korea but I've spoken to South Koreans and Westerners who've been to Korea when the WCG was hosted there (amongst other events) and I actually like Asian culture to a certain extent.

South Korea can't be emulated, (mainstream) success wise, in the West for many reasons - I mentioned some in the article. The only reason people are unwilling to listen to criticism or alternative theories about Korea is because gaming has hit the mainstream and is comparatively successful compared to the West, there's this childish reaction to simply ignore or believe there are no consequences to having a 'Starcraft society'.
(last year)  #34 CryMeAReaver
CryMeAReaver
You know that you would need a meta position to judge like that? You additionaly postulate the western life style as ideal.
Last edited by CryMeAReaver at 06.08.2008, 21:19
(last year)  #48 _evan
_evan
I never once implied that a Western life style was ideal, I was actually working against the idea that Korea is ahead of us or completely flawless, that's all.

Your initial comment is reinforcing a lot of the points I raised actually, but you're right regarding the need for a benchmark.
(last year)  #10 Dendra
Dendra
didnt read it that carefully but what stinged my eye was "someone has to do the dishes" part, ethnical jokes are not something you throw around like a baloon.
If force won't work, use greater force.
(last year)  #13 Army
Army
I noticed that you didn't read it that carefully, hence your usual monologue about the greatness of StarCraft.
(last year)  #19 Dendra
Dendra
as always, sc fighting forever! My life for Aiur <3
Last edited by Dendra at 06.08.2008, 17:48

If force won't work, use greater force.
(last year)  #29 _evan
_evan
The original mentioned Hitler in that sentence, the one and only edit, unsurprisingly!
(last year)  #12 Kennigit
 
Yeah the article is riddled with them, the whole tone of this piece is just offensive. You don't seem to understand why SC became a Korean brand in the first place. You say "13-14 hours a day for a career with the life expectancy similar to an African infant" as if this career length is somehow smaller than any other progamer. God i cant read this any more im going to stab myself in the eyes
(last year)  #14 VzPXeelCortino
XeelCortino
In my country, when it comes to esport, most of the people would thinking of people who are spending a lot of time just sitting infront of pc. They would said that those people are no life or whatever and would never linked it to sports. For me, esport is almost the same as the conventional sport, just that it happened in cyberspace.
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(last year)  #15 xpr1mnt
 
Bla-bla-bla, so many words, why is everyone trying to find some reason and explain all bad things? Live your life and do what you think is right.
(last year)  #20 Dendra
Dendra
if we were to analyse pretty much every aspect of our life we'd find something bad, well basically part of what we do is always bad in eyes of someone else and vice versa, so in the end yes - it's your life and your choices.
If force won't work, use greater force.
(last year)  #16 VzPXeelCortino
XeelCortino
You just conclude that "we are finding some reason to explain all bad things". You said that just because you think it that way, but what about the others opinion? It's not that everyone is standing on your side.
Do only "what you think is right" not really a healthy way of life. Sometimes, you do need some advices from people.

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(last year)  #17 Lun-
 
gg
(last year)  #23 IamLurker
IamLurker
Even if you rename South Korea as UK, things would go the same way or you'll just end up like Malawi with a $600 GDP. Each and everyone of us has to make a living within our capabilities regardless of any consequences, as long as we could inhale oxygen, it just happens that they don't have various and abundant resources in their 99,314 Square kilometer island. Period!
If you can't stand for something, you'll fall for everything
(last year)  #65 RESTINPEE
RESTINPEE
I don't think Germany has any resources worth mentioning either ;)
(last year)  #67 IamLurker
IamLurker
Regardless of rich natural reserves or any opportunity for that matter, South Korea manages to have an economical leap, in addition placed at the 14th best largest economy surpassing 179 countries, isn't it amazing?
If you can't stand for something, you'll fall for everything
(last year)  #24 HollabacK
 
What was the point your trying to make in this article? Your opinions just jump around from each paragraph with narrow minded views. Dont Hate - Participate
(last year)  #25 sC_Lucifer
sC_Lucifer
looking forward to be there.... miss Seoul !!!!
(last year)  #27 Malystryx
Malystryx
looooool _evan XD
Lawrence "Malystryx" Phillips
(last year)  #30 SitTFriendlySheep
 
messed up article, doesnt the editor do any work? sifting through articles that are submitted to make sure such articles dont make it to the press? or is there a lack of choice that prevents the editor for the site to reject any submissions?

"Written by myMYM.com's guest writer United Kingd- Richard 'evan_' Armstrong and edited by Denmark Phillip 'Phil' Rasmussen."
'edited' = joke

and the writer deserves to be shot for being so ignorant
(last year)  #38 yukson_Joo
 
I agree with you, there are so many horrible racist "jokes"/analogies being tossed around. Honestly, if you were going to edit an article, at least take out those...

and learn to use spell check, even the crappiest spell check will find a couple of spelling mistakes.

The writer did a good job in terms of researching and number crunching, and I think he should've just stuck to that, and leave the opinions to intended audiences instead of so much westernized ideals.
(last year)  #44 Phil
Phil
Journalism is supposed to provoke and engage. This column does that. And while you might be offended by evan's sharp pen, his piece is well-researched and well written, which justifies it for me.

And my edits are minor adjustments, as this is how evan wanted to have it published.

I'm forever blowing bubbles!
(last year)  #52 Shival
Shival
While journalism may be supposed to provoke and engage, it should never be meant as discrimination. Looking at evan_'s article, you can see it's chockful of oneliners which scream racism.
I quote: "you take the plunge into whichever Asian vixen you've intoxicated." or "It seems strange to us but they've no concept of choice, free will or variety. Personality, achievement and self worth is obtained through work and careers." or how about "DD syndrome – big tits and no brain, following South Korea or any modern Asian culture is like given Michael Jackson the keys to a nursery." (I never knew Starcraft had such principles behind the game), and to top it he adds "computer for 13-14 hours a day for a career with the life expectancy similar to an African infant." and "South Korea is the most overworked, socially retarded country"

Secondly, the paper is not well-researched, because it's entirely one-sided and his sources seem to be small and biased. Neither is it well written as the entire article is full of generalizations and an overly simplified view on the subject.
(last year)  #63 Phil
Phil
Quoting Shival:

"you take the plunge into whichever Asian vixen you've intoxicated."


How is tat racistic? Had the article been about the UK you could insert Brittish there instead. If anything it's sexistic, and I can surely live with that.

Quoting Shival:

"It seems strange to us but they've no concept of choice, free will or variety. Personality, achievement and self worth is obtained through work and careers."


Racistic? No. Predujice? Yes. It is though notably that there is a common trend in the modernized world to be self-realized through your work and career. For more on that topic you can read a little bit about Maslow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs

Quoting Shival:

"DD syndrome – big tits and no brain, following South Korea or any modern Asian culture is like given Michael Jackson the keys to a nursery."


How is it racistic? DD syndrome is describing the headless appreaciation the Western eSports world has for Korea; not the other way around. I think the only one who can be pissed of by this is Michael Jackson, and making a pun on him is ok with me...

Quoting Shival:

"computer for 13-14 hours a day for a career with the life expectancy similar to an African infant."


Overexeggeration to underline a point. Korea has the lowest life expectancy in the modernized world.

Quoting Shival:

"South Korea is the most overworked, socially retarded country"


Prejudice again. I simply fail to see the racism in this. If anything, evan has been staring too much on his map over the European Union, jerking off to our culture or habits. And retarded has the same meaning as abnormal - I just think evan wanted to provoke...

The facts are well-researched, and his sources can't be biased as it is official statistics. What he uses those statistics for is another matter, but you can't argue against the research. It is also well written, but I guess that is subject to taste. And bear in mind that his is not a scientific paper but a column. Generalizations and simplifications are necesseary if you want to cover a subject like this is, in a column.

I'm forever blowing bubbles!
(last year)  #73 Shival
Shival
Sigh, I'll explain.

"The Merriam-Webster's Dictionary defines racism as a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular racial group, and that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief."

He has done this in almost all his points, he's taking western society as the norm/ideal and compares asian culture to it. While adding some prejudices and exaggerations. In essence prejudice on a culture IS racism.

However, I do agree my DD syndrome part isn't clean racism, but when you read the entire paragraph and maybe the one before. You should see it's entirely uncalled for and doesn't add anything to what he's trying to prove.


On to the research part. First of all, lets get the fact straight that official statistics can be just as much biased as anything. For example, crime statistics. I bet you know what I mean with that. Secondly, research is worth nothing if you do not add the same facts in your article. The only thing evan_ has done is change the facts around to his liking, it's partial and therefore not well-researched nor well-written. It might have been well-written if he refrained from discrimination, prejudices, exaggeration, wrong 'facts', biasedness, simplifying, and such. Taking other comments into account, it seems most do agree, adding to my opinion.

Example for bad research:

"Unlike Western society there's no divide in Korea, its people are ethnically homogeneous with the exception of 20,000 Chinese"

There's 1 million foreigners in S. Korea (excluding N. Koreans). Secondly one can argue whether there's no divide in S. Korea as dividing people isn't solely based on country of birth.


No paper should ever be full of generalizations and simplifications. If you can't fit your subject into a small column while explaining most of the subject, then just don't write it at all. Besides, explaining the entire situation of South-Korea in a small column was a fail from the start anyway, it's just not doable.
Last edited by Shival at 07.08.2008, 17:21
(last year)  #77 _evan
_evan
Read my reply to 'Left'. If you want to believe I'm racist purely to justify your own opinions then go ahead, that's your prerogative.
(last year)  #80 Shival
Shival
I never said you are a racist. The article is.
(last year)  #86 _evan
_evan
Now you're just being pedantic and ignoring my reply, unsurprisingly.
(last year)  #88 Shival
Shival
I am not pedantic (way to go to cover up your mistake), neither am I ignoring your reply. In fact, you are ignoring almost the entire criticism of Left, me and several others, instead of answering you're dodging.

If you want I'll respond on your reply to Left, however I'd rather have Left reply to it and you reply to my own criticism.
Last edited by Shival at 08.08.2008, 02:36
(last year)  #58 GoaT
GoaT
You should've keept the Hitler-part. Shockvalue is like candy to us<3 ON topic: Richard writes a good one again, but i miss more specific esport facts:/
Still its a good one and keep them coming, it's sexy to se something provoking at myMYM except the rumoursection. Big up to phil for posting it<3

Nine Vires Nors
(last year)  #32 Blockwurst
 
omg your article is like shit...what is this? a joke?
eSports is a young sport....look at soccer how long it took until people could live from playing soccer...and look were eSports is now, already (compare too other sports in this limited timeline)
and is soccer any better???
kids learn from playing games how computer work and maybe someday work for blizzard or whatever software company (i am gamer...oh and imagine...i have a job...)
your article is ONLY negative and somehow ******* stupid =/
and wtf is this??? " South Korea is the most overworked, socially retarded country"
for crying out loud...you are retarded
(last year)  #33 Mirhi
Mirhi
I thought this was pretty well done, but I'm not sure I understand the point you're trying to make. That E-Sports is a negative aspect of society? Korea isn't a country to be modeled after?

You seem to have a very Western bias (This coming from an American).
(last year)  #35 yukson_Joo
 
I don't think he is trying to make a point, i think its more of a revelation and the negative social, economic, environmental aspect that e-Sports have in Korea.
(last year)  #36 cyiw
 
I am APPALLED that this site would post such an inane collection of opinions and unrelated statistics and hilariously ignorant statements. Its too bad the US doesn't reach the same conclusions correlating unemployment levels, life expectancy, and population densities with starcraft, backwards culture and everyone decending from one gene pool. After all, everyone knows that genetics determine beliefs, culture, way of thinking, and desirability of the aforementioned intoxicated asian vixen. And america will NEVER be as successful as korea because we only have football!!!!!!

Fumbling through the convoluted arguments, nonsensical transition statements, and blatant racism, it becomes painfully obvious that the author has never been to korea (which he has confirmed), and doesn't understand a thing about how the world works. This article should be burned, after mymym removes it and never ask this guest writer back. What a joke.
(last year)  #37 Kennigit
 
Yeah i agree this should be removed. Hey army i learned how to reply :D
(last year)  #40 Army
Army
I disagree on removal of personal columns by guest writers - everybody has their own brain to make up their opinion about a piece.

But good that you learned how to reply :-)
(last year)  #41 yukson_Joo
 
Yes, removal isn't necessary, but should have been better "edited", as you would agree on that =).
(last year)  #39 Dendra
Dendra
well "football" in your country is played mostly with hands...europe and other continents have football, in usa football is growing but it's still far from european and south american leagues, hmm but yes you call it soccer for some reason :)

hand-ball,foot-ball, notice the pattern :) only usa has to be special but eh, thats another topic ;) anyway im guessing using word football when ur not refering to it should be at least avoided by saying american football, as then it has a completely new meaning :) (even though there is another word for that sport and even though there is a better version of it with pretty much full-contact instead of wearing 50kg of armor on yourself and smashing into others :))

If force won't work, use greater force.
(last year)  #45 Phil
Phil
We don't remove personal columns after we have published them, unless the authors asks us to do so.
I'm forever blowing bubbles!
(last year)  #49 _evan
_evan
(last year)  #43 [SLO]Heldarion
Heldarion
This article looks like a bunch of facts piled one upon another with no real connection among the paragraphs. Plus those racist jokes are not something I'd recommend you to do on this site, as MANY Chinese visit this site, I daresay.
Also, many of the established proffesional gamers that have been playing for a while now (moon, grubby, remind, most likely quite some of the Starcraft players?) haven't retired yet, so it's quite dangerous to talk about the length of a gamer's career.

<Xeqn> someone translated your warding guide to Chinese
(last year)  #46 drinn
drinn
You have never been in South-Korea, so writing a statistical article is pointless. You have to experience the cultures first before writing this type of articles. Otherwise it will only fall down into erroneous knowledge.

"South Korea is the most overworked, socially retarded country - Japan might challenge.."

This is an alarming sentence. Again, if you haven't experienced the cultures, DON'T STATE anything like this. People will only laugh at you, because that sentence show them that you have never been in those countries, so you are lacking of very necessary knowledge.

Not to mention that you are quite socially retarded. :D You didn't even talk to Malystryx @ CGS combine, at least what he told to me. :(

Every country has their own little things, where the citizens are interested in. Japaneses have electronical stuff, Americans football, Finns sauna & beer.. and Korea Starcraft.

btw, fix this automatical refresh ffs :D had to write this comment again :(
Last edited by drinn at 07.08.2008, 00:07
(last year)  #47 dBR-Ichabod_Crane
 
I was going to vote for mymym.com as best esport coverage site, but I won't do it anymore after reading this article...
(last year)  #50 Malystryx
Malystryx
_evan the ultimate saboteur, shame it was by accident, hahahaha :DDDDDD
Lawrence "Malystryx" Phillips
(last year)  #51 Dendra
Dendra
i bet you've got something to do with that "accident" part! :))
If force won't work, use greater force.
(last year)  #70 4KFmatthe
matthe
Myth of the morning calm is a personal column, written by myMYM.com's guest writer Richard 'evan_' Armstrong. The opinion of the author does not necessarily represent the opinion of myMYM.com.


o_O

Not swearing on internet? It's against my religion.
(last year)  #96 carnage786
 
i agree.
(last year)  #53 IamLurker
IamLurker
Those 300 pro-gamers and the eSport extravagant in South Korea are big contributors in their successful economy. This isn't just a cyber but a culture yet a business at the same time. It generate sales, promotion, network, market, media, international exposure, tourism, and profitable deals world wide.

Japan - 3rd best largest economy all over the world
South Korea - 14th best largest economy all over the world

They're not socially-retarded.. Have you ever tried to have a sex with a Japanese or a Korean? I suggest you give it a try, I'm sure you'll regret all the blasphemous opinions you have in mind. XDD

If you can't stand for something, you'll fall for everything
(last year)  #54 Shival
Shival
Worst... article... ever...

It's chockful of racism, generalization, biased 'facts' and an overly simplified view of the subject.

Racism:
"computer for 13-14 hours a day for a career with the life expectancy similar to an African infant."
"South Korea is the most overworked, socially retarded country"
"It seems strange to us but they've no concept of choice, free will or variety."
"DD syndrome – big tits and no brain, following South Korea or any modern Asian culture is like given Michael Jackson the keys to a nursery."

And I'm sad to say there's more racism, too much to quote anyway.

Generalization:
"When your entire population comes from one gene pool, the beliefs, culture, history and way of thinking are ultimately the same."
"If you're a Warcraft III fan you've already seen this, South Korean players visit Europe and instinctively seek out Korean restaurants. It seems strange to us but they've no concept of choice, free will or variety."
"Most people can realistically play games for 15 hours a day, but the lure of money, lack of social stigma and common sense offered by Korea's mainstream society, lead Koreans down increasingly introvert and myopic lives in search of 'their' dream and partly to justify the madness."

Biased 'facts', there's loads, won't name most of them:
"The United Kingdom actually has more PC's than South Korea"
Obviously, because UK has 10 million more people.

"Unlike Western society there's no divide in Korea, its people are ethnically homogeneous with the exception of 20,000 Chinese"
There's 1 million foreigners in S. Korea (excluding N. Koreans). Secondly one can argue whether there's no divide in S. Korea as dividing people isn't solely based on country of birth.

"Why unlike the European or North American markets does Korea only have one eSport game."
Warcraft 3, WoW, CS, etc. While they may not be as big as Starcraft, they surely have a seat in S. Korea.

"The accessibility of Starcraft works both for and against gaming in general. You'd be naive to believe that the prospect of mainstream adulation has no influence on the levels of youth unemployment for example. Since 2002, the unemployment rate of people aged 15-24 has increased year on year to 10.2%. The rate for men is even higher according to the United Nations Statistics Division, with 12.3% unemployed – that's one in eight. This doesn't compare favorably to other modernised societies like the United Kingdom which has rates of 7.8% and 9.3% respectively."

Oooook.... the Netherlands has about 4.0% unemployment rate, while there's a higher percentage of gamers than in the UK. Good job researching the entire picture. The unemployment rate in S. Korea isn't to blame on gaming, even if there is, which I doubt, it's only a very small part in loads of other factors. Don't forget there's also jobs being created due to gaming.

Simplified, picked only a few out of many:
"Korea's ethnically homogeneous people, urbanised population and mainstream electronic companies are the things responsible."
"When your entire population comes from one gene pool, the beliefs, culture, history and way of thinking are ultimately the same. When they all live so close together the 'problem' exasperates."
"It seems strange to us but they've no concept of choice, free will or variety. Personality, achievement and self worth is obtained through work and careers. Their culture is based on shame and bovine compliance."

What the hell were you thinking? The entire article is full of rubbish actually, now that I've read over it 4 times. Not to mention the contradictions in it.
Last edited by Shival at 07.08.2008, 03:20
(last year)  #55 BA|frequency-
frequency-
This is an opinion piece. He has his opinion, he has put the evidence he believes is relevant and backs his arguments. Don't ask to have it taken down because you find it 'offensive' or anything, if you believe that this article is terrible then go write one that you believe is better and has better arguments.

I have to agree with Wind's posts though (#6), I don't quite understand your arguments but you seem to have put a lot of effort in, so good work for that :D

<VisarkA> one night ended with me sleeping in jolies bed
(last year)  #60 fril
 
"Don't ask to have it taken down because you find it 'offensive' or anything, if you believe that this article is terrible then go write one that you believe is better and has better arguments."

Sure he has his opinion and is free to air it, but the rationale behind asking for it to be taken down is that the MYM website is viewed by people from all over the world, including Koreans. It has nothing to do with how good or how bad the article is - though I personally find it too subjective - but the discriminatory nature of the content makes it inappropriate.
(last year)  #57 IamLurker
IamLurker
My analysis then summary of the article:

- Korea is electronically inclined as a whole, which is wrong and shouldn't be admired by Western countries.
- StarCraft is grandeur in Korea.
- Population in urban is enormous.
- Electricity consumption is vastly emphasized.
- Korea uses internet excessively.
- Korea's culture is self-centered.
- Korea has wrong principles and bad examples.
- Western countries are versatile unlike Korea.
- Korea's love for StarCraft caused the high rate of unemployment.
- Korean's are madly in love with StarCraft for blunt and blind reasons.
- Korean's life expectancy is near the poorest.
- Asian companies are good in covering the reality of problems.
- Samsung (Korean company) is starting to expand their markets at Europe and North America.
- HSBC (British company) and other big western companies wouldn't mind eSport because of the traditional sports.
- Korea is socially retarded for investing too much on the so called culture "eSport"

The major content of the article is aptly to show extreme repugnance about Koreans which is clearly a racial discrimination. Now, evan_'s what do you think your article achieved?
Last edited by IamLurker at 07.08.2008, 10:38

If you can't stand for something, you'll fall for everything
(last year)  #61 Mantraa
 
Jesus Christ Evan_ Great read! Kept me laughing a bit with the metaphors that were made of lulz. However I must add that there was faith with 300 spartans, was there not? 300 Men fought an army of a million. They can do the same! lol, it's pretty sad though, but i't's just the same everywhere you look. Indian boys want to be cricket players, European boys want to be soccer players, and American boys want to play baseball, basketball, or football. They are also breeding grounds for unemployment, and only the best can make it, seems a bit controversial, but Korea does the same thing with gaming, I suppose, if that's even comparable for that matter.
(last year)  #62 danzigPL
danzigPL
Interesting article, however I'd like to read additional article written from different point of view, i.e. gamer, who stayed and played in Korea. You can get addicted to anything and it's always something wrong. Their lifestyle push them to extremely hard training and eventually they get addicted. IMO 14 hours is too much but 4-6 hours daily training is nothing wrong, every pro player works so much and before tournaments much harder, they are simply at work, and get paid for it.
Last edited by danzigPL at 07.08.2008, 09:24

www.cybersport.pl
(last year)  #64 Left
 
Why does everybody judge his article as well researched? Throwing around some numbers automatically makes an article seem much “smarter”, but is it really?

Let go through with it:

Energy Consumption:
“Burning coal covered in oil and wrapped in a wooden box would be less wasteful than Korea.“
South Korea actually has a lower per capita energy consumption than the U.S., most scandinavian countries (Sweden, Norway, Finland), Netherlands, Australia, Louxembourg and some other european countries. Even the UK only consumes about 9% less than S.K.
Not mentioning all the Arabian or oil producing countries, who have a up to 5 times higher consumption (Qatar anyone?).

Foreign population in S.K.
Has been mentionend before, its over 1 million, not only the mentioned 20.000 dishwashing chinese.

Unemployment Rate:
Let not only see male 15-24 but show the whole picture, shall we?
South Korea – 3.5 %
United Kingdom – 5.4%
Errrm, so that’s why S.K. faces economical problems, which the UK as a “modernised society” is not having?

Life Expectancy at birth:
Ah, my favourite one:
South Korea – 77.42
United Kingdom – 78.85
Bosnia & Herzegovina – 78.33
European Union Average – 78.51
World – 66.12

South Korea is actually 11 ranks below Bosnia and Herzegovina, but its still a very good number, isn’t it?

“Richest” company in the world:
Revenuewise:
#1 Exxon Mobil #2 Walmart #3 Royal Dutch Shell … #26 HSBC
Market Capitalization:
#1 Exxon Mobil #2 Petrochina #3 Gazprom .. #33 HSBC

Apart from that? Why mention? This has really nothing to do with the article!

Macroeconomics:
“the Korean economy is facing a serious dilemma as it continues to slow along with surging inflation”
So this is different for which country? The U.S. most European and asian countries are facing those problems right now. Don’t see the point!? Especially with inflation being an importated inflation because of increases in commodity and oil prices.

So all that is left, after realizing not even your “oh so well researched” facts were correct, is a racist, polemic article, that uses the power of numbers to appear intelligent. I have to admit your use of the language is good. But that remains the only positive thing about that.
(last year)  #66 RESTINPEE
RESTINPEE
nice stomp :D
well I wouldn't go as far as calling it racist but polemic describes this pretty well.
(last year)  #68 BA|frequency-
frequency-
Well said.
<VisarkA> one night ended with me sleeping in jolies bed
(last year)  #72 yukson_Joo
 
Nice.
Loved your reply.
Honestly journalists these days as long as they have the "numbers". However, journalists should work with people who actually can properly interpret these "numbers" (i.e., statisticians) before dumping these "numbers" into their columns and try justify their claims.

Take "mortality" for example, I'm studying actuarial science (i.e., expectations of peoples lives) *UNDER DIFFERENT CONDITIONS*.
I can think of one of the main cause of the reasons that contribute to the "high/low" mortality rate at birth: smoking. As far as I know, all of my Korean friends in CANADA smokes (regardless they immigrated or born here).
And TRUST ME, we actuaries use a different mortality table when calculating the expectations of people that smokes.
(last year)  #74 Shival
Shival
Now, that's well researched ;)

Good job.
(last year)  #76 _evan
_evan
I've a serious issue with the way you 'countered' some of the statistics I used. Firstly, this article was a 'reply' to another article which I briefly mentioned in the first paragraph and I made no attempt to balance my arguments like you would see in an essay for example, which is patently obvious. I do find it quite ironic that you criticise my use of statistics though and I'll show you why.

Your point about macroeconomics was fair, I'm not going to argue this point further but I do believe traditional markets like Europe and North America are in a much better situation to weather the storm, so to speak, because of the way we make money. Having said that, the conclusion was actually a counter to the other authors point about how Starcraft came about (an economic recession), I was merely commenting that the economy hasn't changed or at the very least has actually gone backwards in these eight or nine years.

I used Forbes for a reason, it's accessible and balances up every aspect of business instead of being sales/revenue skewed. You dismiss a balanced and fair source in favour of something which favours only one aspect of business. Even if I ignored that the 'new' statistics you provide still agree with my conclusion - “Until banks, oil and gas companies find a way to exploit the eSports market then we'll fail to find the same sort of 'success' as Korea.”

Which leads me to believe you're either an Anglophobe or immature, which again is both ironic and irrelevant because HSBC is so strong because of its business 'choices' in Asia - “the worlds local bank”.

“South Korea is actually 11 ranks below Bosnia and Herzegovina, but its still a very good number, isn’t it?”

I assume you're viewing a different source to me because Bosnia and Herzegovina ranks 42 and South Korea ranks 52nd, though you quote the exact same figures so I'm going to assume you just can't count. You could've argued I sensationalised slighty, I did, but the differences are small and to a gamers mind, irrelevant.

“Let not only see male 15-24 but show the whole picture, shall we?”

I gave statistics for both sexes combined and males separately. The reason for using statistics with a smaller scope is to add context, feel free to use the general population stats if you want to make the UK look bad though. I would appreciate if you showed the number of professional gamers over the age of 24, heck even the number of gamers, though.

“Has been mentionend before, its over 1 million, not only the mentioned 20.000 dishwashing chinese.”

The official Korean website states there are 1.1 million foreign residents, I won't argue that. You're however misinterpreting what I actually said, I said “ethnically homogeneous” which means people born in the country and part of the gene pool (as a part of the country on the whole). People visiting or temporally living in a country aren't factored into this argument, in the same way that the original Asian and African immigrants who moved to the UK aren't counted but their second and third generation children are.

There's a general trend in your criticism which is easy to spot and while you may have the average idiot agreeing with you I think you know yourself it's ridiculously flawed. I used the UK as a comparison because I'm from the UK, we've roughly the same population (England at least) and the UK is considered one of the most underdeveloped nations in eSports.

I think you're under the impression I'm merely being arrogant or shamelessly promoting the UK at the expense of Korea, I'm not. I'm also not going to get dragged into an argument about nationality and bias but I'll leave you with a quotation - “comment is free... but facts are sacred”. Thank you for reading.
(last year)  #79 mighty_honour_korea
 
The economic crisis was A reason, not THE reason.

The HDR and CIA have South Korea pegged far higher on the chart than Bosnia and Herzegovina. I told you last night those statistics you quoted were near 10 years old and still you sit there and try defend them.

The Korean economy has seen exponential growth post-Asian financial crisis, with one of the fastest growing economies in history. Yes, growth has slowed down significantly these past years, but that's a result of the world's market slowing down, not just South Korea's.

South Korea's GDP rate is ranked 34th, you're just singling the country out to back up your piss poor opinion.

You do things backwards Evan and you always have. You come to conclusions then fish for evidence to back them up. This is just one of many of your conceited, egotistical traits.

I'd keep going but quite frankly I don't feel like applying more time and effort to debunking this dribble than you did writing it.

Don't try turn this into a pissing match because I have no interest in what you have to say. Take your medicine, shut your mouth and try compiling conclusions AFTER reviewing research materials next time.
(last year)  #69 Celestium
 
don't idealize anything, in football too, many are called, few are chosen in decent clubs... most of them are forced to find a real job at 25 after gaving up their studies..

and how many people who made decent studies get fired due to some weird corporate restructuration.. and how many intelligent people failed at their exam because of the luck factor missing and/or the insane numerus clausus like the 4% in my domain.

everything is fuked up..
Last edited by Celestium at 07.08.2008, 14:05
(last year)  #71 4KFmatthe
matthe
Freedom of speech guys :D

Does anyone remember this Mohammed "pictures", which were made 1 year ago and some people were angry about it and the media pushed the whole story up?

and:

Quoting Winston Churchill:

The only statistics you can trust are those you falsified yourself

Not swearing on internet? It's against my religion.
(last year)  #75 Shival
Shival
That's actually one of the worst quotes I've ever heard from Churchill.
(last year)  #78 4KFmatthe
matthe
But it is true :P
Not swearing on internet? It's against my religion.
(last year)  #81 Shival
Shival
No, it isn't, counting your own statistics is also trustworthy ;)
(last year)  #82 Makaveli-
 
I know its almost blasphemy, but can you reference your statistics please?
(last year)  #83 toCuws
 
As mymym I'd edit these three parts:

"with the exception of 20,000 Chinese - and after all, someone needs to do the dishes."

This is obviously racist, whether it wants to be or not. Moreover, seeing as mYm is trying to break through in the Chinese market, it is also extremely stupid from a business stand-point .

"[...] for a career with the life expectancy similar to an African infant."

This clause, perhaps again, inadvertently mocks/makes fun of the horrible, horrible situation of many African children. I'm not normally the sensitive type, but in a supposedly serious essay published to a large reader base this disgusts me.

"South Korea is the most overworked, socially retarded country"

Are you kidding me? Such a statement doesn't belong anywhere. Sure, social isolation, akwardness or whatever might be a problem, but then you should state it more subjectively and back up with facts and sources; as it is written now, it's simply hurtful and gives the readers serious doubts about the integrity of the writer.

...speaking or sources - where are the references at the end?

Posting an article like this in its current form is extremely unprofessional. If I was the owner of this site (waiting for reply containing "well you aren't buhu!") then I'd really reconsider if this is a clever move.
I do, however, respect the fact that mymym wants to post more serious essays/articles.

On another note, I think the article hits a very important nerve when it says that there are only relatively few professional gamers.
Even though people like Dendra would like to believe that starcraft is South Korea's national sport, it's very clearly isn't. In an article by Rekrul on teamliquid.net, he said that his manager used to compare starcraft in Korea to wrestling in the US - i.e. its a niche sport.
Last edited by toCuws at 07.08.2008, 19:43
(last year)  #90 Phil
Phil
Now, I respect your standing point, but I am not to accept a personal column from evan, and thereafter editing it against the author's will. I am pretty sure that if people disagree with evan's provokative writing, they will be telling him exactly what he did wrong; and what he shouldn't do again.

The column has been giving a fair deal of attention before being put up, but as editor in chief it is my job to decide whether or not to post it. I am of the belief that journalism is allowed to provoke and engange - not that it has to though.

I'm forever blowing bubbles!
(last year)  #92 toCuws
 
Sure, an editor shouldn't edit out the essence and main arguments from an article. But neither should he/she be afraid to change or remove passages of bad writing, sentences that destroy the structure of the article, etc, etc.

Provocative writing is okay, but in this case, not only do the provocative statements clearly cross the line, they are also generally irrelevant to the thesis.
The provocations are pointless if their goal is to simply provoke.
To give you an example: "[...] for a career with the life expectancy similar to an African infant." My guess would be this methaphor is supposed to be funny; but instead it's just offensive and, moreover, it doesn't stay at all within the realm of the theme and subject of this article. It would be appropriate on the standup stage or in a piece of comedic writing, but not here.
Stuff like that crosses the line and is also just bad writing: It's the kinda stuff you'd want to edit out.
Last edited by toCuws at 08.08.2008, 19:30
(last year)  #84 Antidoto
 
Wow, I'm astonished!!, not so long ago I turned on my pc, and before entering any of the EGames I play, I checked the news on this website (something I do every day, since mymym.com has been my favorite for a long time already) and when I first read the title of this article I thought it was going to be something worth of reading (specially if it was posted on the frontpage!!). There are so many things I could reply about that article, although most of what I’d have said has been already replied by so many people, but personally, I think the article is really offensive, and mymym just disappointed me greatly, I really CAN’T believe the mymym staff “edited” this article and thought it was “good” to be on the front page, I mean, Yes, Evan CAN have his own opinions which I believe many of us can respect, but posting them on this worldwide website?, maybe I could handle this article if I was an Evan’s fan that every day checks Evan’s website, but this is not Evan’s website, and I believe the “The opinion of the author does not necessarily represent the opinion of myMYM.com.” statement doesn’t justify the action of posting this on the frontpage, ‘cause even when they don’t “support” Evan’s opinions they are “promoting” them, and what Evan clearly promotes here is a discrimination against Asian people and more precisely Korean people/culture, I mean, HOW can you let someone post statements such:

“It seems strange to us but they've no concept of choice, free will or variety.”

"South Korea is the most overworked, socially retarded country"

"DD syndrome – big tits and no brain, following South Korea or any modern Asian culture is like given Michael Jackson the keys to a nursery." ???

A person needs to be real nuts (or extremely biased declaring him/herself as an Evan huge blinded fan) to defend those statements as NON discriminative ones, or saying that the paper is well researched and not biased just because the facts are real facts but not necessarily complete, as it ONLY tells one part/side of the truth about those facts, for instance I can quote:

"computer for 13-14 hours a day for a career with the life expectancy similar to an African infant."

So yes, Korea does have a low life expectancy compared to other modern countries, but, what does SC has to do with that?? I mean, I KNOW that sitting in front of a PC for 13-14 hours a day isn’t the healthiest thing to do, but my point here is, did Evan researched on Korea’s life expectancy before SC came?, or what the reasons for their low life expectancy were before SC came, so he could TRY to analize and balance those reasons and the impact of SC, to see HOW MUCH SC has really affected their culture in that matter, THAT for ME doesn’t seem to be well researched. At least anyone who has a little piece of common sense would have done that before posting such discriminatory/racist “facts”/opinions on the frontpage of a very well known, respected and visited website, and if the author lacked that NORMAL COMMON sense, then the editors should do it.

So there again, I’m really disappointed with this website, and I’m pretty sure there are lots of people who feel the same way I do, since I am NOT a SC fan (I’ve tried that game ONCE and didn’t really like it, I’m more of a WC/CS 1.6/WoW/etc etc lover), plus I’m a Peruvian who lives in Peru, I have never been to any Asian country, and am not related in any way to Asian people, so this isn’t personal, I just think it’s pretty offensive and of a BAD taste to have it posted on the frontpage, I wonder what Moon, Luci, Susi and other progamers think about that article and the statements I quoted!!, I’m blown away!!

Edited: I forgot to mention about this statement:

"If you're still in any doubt or just don't want to believe me, how about the Samsung Economic Research Institute (SERI)? They admit that there are only 300 registered professional gamers in South Korea"

So the question here is: Does Evan have an IDEA of what it means to be considered a Professional Gamer in Korea?? did he bother to do some "research" about what's a ProGamer over there? or he just doesn't follow the Korean progaming scene??, as a quick example, Susiria wasn't considered as a progamer in his country, due to the fact that he didn't win any tournaments, of course, this has to do with the incredibly high competitive level of gaming over there, and this applys for players like Check, Space, etc etc, but the thing is that we have a different definition of what a progamer is, so putting that as a fact that "shows" that korea has only 300 "progamers" and therefore their economy isn't as good as we think is wrong, since it doesn't show the whole truth behind, but just a biased oppinion, twisting and playing with some of the "facts" found in HIS research, if you don't get the idea yet, Space isn't a KOREAN progamer, yet he probably makes more money than many other progamers in the world, and heyyy, he is JUST an "amateur" I know those examples belong to the WC scene, but since I'm really not a SC follower I can't name examples related to that scene, but, still I'm talking about the korean progaming scene.
Last edited by Antidoto at 07.08.2008, 20:42
(last year)  #85 toCuws
 
"computer for 13-14 hours a day for a career with the life expectancy similar to an African infant."

Refers to the length of the progamer's career not his life.

For some reason a lot of people seem to misinterpret this.
(last year)  #87 _evan
_evan
Quoting mighty_honour_korea:

The HDR and CIA have South Korea pegged far higher on the chart than Bosnia and Herzegovina. I told you last night those statistics you quoted were near 10 years old and still you sit there and try defend them.

South Korea's GDP rate is ranked 34th, you're just singling the country out to back up your piss poor opinion."

I'd keep going but quite frankly I don't feel like applying more time and effort to debunking this dribble than you did writing it.


- Source: CIA World Factbook - Unless otherwise noted, information in this page is accurate as of January 1, 2008

- No, I'm singling Korea out because the article is about Korea.

- You make me laugh, you bother me while I'm watching Big Brother then say you won't reply and don't care - yet you reply! Your criticism is ironic for a number of reasons, your own research was equally as biased and selective, your entire article was a shoddy attempt to rewrite someone else's opinion. But you know what? I don't care what you think and I'm not going to reply, oh wait...
(last year)  #89 mighty_honour_korea
 
You're right, I was looking at a page of results mixed from a range of different years, regardless, utilizing those results "Koreans have one of the lowest life expectancy rates in the modernised world" is still a complete and utter fallacy.

South Korea is all of one year behind the likes of Ireland, UK, EU, Denmark, Portugal and Finland yet according to you they're just as liable to croak as someone from Zimbabwe, which scores a 39 compared to South Korea's 77.

"No, I'm singling Korea out because the article is about Korea." No, you're looking at facts applicable to most other countries in Asia, Europe and America and applying them directly and solely to South Korea, claiming them to be differences between them and us, a few examples.

South Korea having Samsung, one of the most successful technology oriented companies in the world, gives South Korea a foot up that we won't get unless our biggest corporate giants, energy companies, step into the e-sports arena.

Forbes 500 list;

#55 Microsoft - United States
#61 Siemens Group - Germany
#67 Hewlett-Packard - United States
#74 Intel - United States
#117 Cisco Systems - United States
#124 Motorola - United States
#142 Nokia - Finland
#147 Dell - United States

I can go on and that's not even counting the likes of Pepsi-Co, Coca Cola, MTV or any other companies interested in tapping our market. So if we were able to mimic South Korea's success with an equally powerful tech company, why haven't we been successful with a far larger amount of top 200 tech companies?

"A downturn in consumer spending was offset by rapid export growth. Moderate inflation, low unemployment, and an export surplus in 2007 characterize this solid economy, but inflation and unemployment are increasing in the face of rising oil prices." - CIA Fact book

CIA says solid Economy, Evan says "serious dilema"

Increasing food and energy prices are hitting every country just as hard. Remind me again how you're explaining the differences between ourselves and Korea by running off a list of facts applicable to most of our own countries?

People are continuing to flock to cities the world over, in huge numbers, but apparantly only South Korea's rise in energy consumption warrants a mention.

Michael Moore does less cherry picking than you do.

I didn't say anything about not replying... I was suggesting you yourself don't reply, pay attention.

I spent a huge amount of time pouring over research information before even touching pen to paper, those were my opinions molded around mostly existing evidence, uncovered by people with the funds to actually visit South Korea, as I myself can not. Kind of the same way you more or less just tore apart certain websites and compiled what is essentially a list of random statistics sporadically pieced together in desperation.

The only difference is mine was coherent and plausible.

Do what you usually do, write an article about how biased the awards are instead of swinging your green handbag at me.
(last year)  #93 _evan
_evan
"CIA says solid Economy, Evan says 'serious dilema'"

It was Samsung Economic Research Institute not me, but nice try all the same. What now? Are you going to say Samsung don't know anything about their own market?
(last year)  #94 mighty_honour_korea
 
I'm going to assume that's your ego's best attempt at a graceful concession and spare you the opportunity to continue embarrassing yourself.
(last year)  #91 Dendra
Dendra
bleh i feel so sad seeing such a nice discussion which sadly spins around statistics, that basically kills my will to write as i find it utterly boring - on the other hand if any of you wishes to challenge sc's superiority in esports do so and i'll be more than happy to start a debate on as to why is sc on a different level :)
If force won't work, use greater force.
(last year)  #95 IamLurker
IamLurker
Why SCV is the only nigga unit in SC which happen to be a poor worker? Isn't a vivid case of discrimination? lol.
If you can't stand for something, you'll fall for everything
(last year)  #97 yukson_Joo
 
lol. too many people just read the statistics, and not read the small fonts on the statistics sheets.
So in the end, biased statistics turn into biased statements, which attract biased attention.

Awesome.

honestly, statistics are nothing if you can't interpret them properly, and most journalists do FAIL at that. Copy and pasting numbers that you find on forbes/bloomberg/reuters dont mean squad if you can't find the relationships between them.

I just hope in UK, they teach/offer statistic courses in a Journalism program.
Last edited by yukson_Joo at 11.08.2008, 21:03
(last year)  #98 proAproAJune91
proAJune91
...
the article and the comments on it are killing my eyes -_-v

lol
j.k
but it's insanely long :|

Fear is not what I'll get. It is what I've created myself
(last year)  #99 yukson_Joo
 
Oh,
what do you know

Koreans have 12 medals so far, including 5 gold
and in 3rd place overall.
I had to ctrl+F to find Great Britain
(last year)  #100 PMSPinkSheep
PinkSheep
eSports is still terribly young and 'nubile'. Even in South Korea. =)

Many people still perceive it as an instant route to stardom (akin to starlets flocking to Hollywood in its heydays) especially with its relatively low barriers of entry.

So while some of these pointers may be relevant and reflective of the eSports culture in South Korea today, I do believe that eSports (worldwide) is heading for a luminous future.

All of us here can make that happen!

the world is my playground...
(last year)  #101 WorldDomination
WorldDomination
what a load of random shit
iG.Soap

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