
With more Warcraft 3 divisions being shut down from their organizations, myMYM.com's Marcus 'Wind' Ho goes behind the scene to find out more about the organization's team budgets, salaries and the most important of all - the reason to release their WC3 teams.
Over the years, competitive Warcraft 3 has proven to be a lucrative competition across South Korea, China and even Europe. Every new season of WC3L is getting tougher, and the number of Warcraft tournaments seems to proliferate year after year. More players rise to stardom, and more people begin to watch the game.
However, competitive Warcraft apparently does not just appeal to RTS fans. It is also attracting the attention of wealthy investors, who are presumably today’s sponsors of various professional gaming teams.
On the face of it, this looks like good business.

A myriad of fans turned up to catch their favorite WC3 stars in action at ROTK in Wuhan
Top-flight teams such as SK-Gaming have a monthly budget projected at more than $19,000, while MeetYourMakers boasts an estimate monthly budget of more than $45,000 for their Warcraft III team alone, with the inclusion of their salaries, flights and hotels.
This bulk of money comes mainly from the investors and sponsors behind the organization to endorse and promote their name, products and various brands.
Yet big budgets do not equal large profits.
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| SK, WE and MYM - How did they survive all these while? |
In order to stay competitive, organizations have to spend efforts and resources through media sales (advertisements), team merchandises and micro-payments (i.e. SK Insider, Club MYM, etc.)
The latter half of 2008 has already seen the release of several teams from their respective organizations, one of which that will always remain as THE legendary squad in professional gaming’s history – 4Kings.
But how did these teams possibly fall apart?
Wicked e-Sports
According to mart1n, former manager of wicked e-Sports, pro-gaming is still at its roots, and has a long way to go.
“We worked assiduously to successfully rally a team of both Asians and Europeans. I think we became a very successful team,” mart1n said.
“But unfortunately, not everything turns out as expected from the cooperation, and the people whom you have to rely on. This often happens in cybersports.
“Money was the main reason why the WC3 squad was released. It coincided with the moment we should have gone to the WC3L, when the players had to renew their contracts. But a very small raise were offered to us; much less than the promised ones.

SouthSea and SocceR - One's a lone ranger, while the other had the back-up of MYM
| “A monthly budget of $3,000 was simply not enough to keep the team, and it’s a pity we had to part ways.” - mart1n, former manager of wicked e-Sports' WC3 division |
“Unfortunately, none of the players agreed to sign since the players have to earn their money from playing games, and most of them are already adults. It is their job. We like each other, but we needed support. A monthly budget about $3,000 was simply not enough to keep the team, and it’s a pity we had to part ways.”
It may also be disbelieve to many, but both Sky and Infi were also linked with the German-based organization, which is presently funded by a private investor.
Mart1n added: “We offered many humans, but to keep our high level we wanted to get one with a great name, and Sky/Infi are for sure great players.
“The CEO promised a budget big enough to keep all the players including Sky and Infi at that time.”
Beijing E-Sports Team
Speculations have always mounted over the sponsors behind the team that harbored one of the most coveted and talented players in the world. Many have suggested that BET was financially supported by the Beijing government due to its namesake.
They were close though, but not exactly right.
Tobi “quiZZ” Stahmer, formerly the manager of BET, says that the squad was part of a consulting company called Munne International Holdings (MHI for short), founded by a popular diplomatic figure, Munne.
“She is very well known in Asia for creating big events in the past like WEG, and being in diplomatic issues between China and Korea. Furthermore, she is able to speak fluently in Korean, Chinese and Japanese, which makes it pretty easy to talk to new partners and that’s why she is the important key-part of the company behind BET.”
In early April however, Warcraft fans woke up to the news that one of the strongest teams were beginning to fall apart as the players began to leave one after another with no apparent reason.

BET's old roster (From left to right): WinNers, Fov, whO, Jini
quiZZ continued: “Of course every expensive project like building a top-team in WarCraft is related with big costs and small profits.
“Especially the Korean players, who have very high expectations concerning their salaries. BET took this risk with the rear cover of a sponsor, but that’s just a very temporary state. Because who likes spending money without receiving something in return?
“Maybe some preparations should have been taken before the team was announced. For example, they should have first prepared a homepage, a structure and then the investments.
“From my point of view, there were just some problems in the communication part and the specific projects to develop the BET brand were not taken too seriously and couldn’t be finished. The sponsors were never brought up in public because there was never a homepage.
| “There is no relation between the success of the team and the fans or community. In the case of BET, we had investors who weren’t interested in presenting themselves in public...” - quiZZ, former manager of Beijing E-Sports Team |
“There is no relation between the success of the team and the fans or community. In the case of BET, we had investors who weren’t interested in presenting themselves in public. Nevertheless, for every development in e-sports or for making money, a homepage is necessary as a first step and that was missing. They told me, that the homepage is in progress, but nothing happened until now.”
However, quiZZ was also quick to rebuff to suggestions claiming that BET’s Warcraft 3 project was a failure. Despite MHI’s predicament, he believes that the situation can be salvaged, and the squad will make a return to the scene soon enough.
“WC3 is still a growing market in China. Munne and Erica (current owners of BET) are very well known and experienced and as they said, a reconstruction is already planned for the future.
“Maybe it was just a failure to invest all the money in such high paid top-stars like Fov and Sweet. Perhaps they should have just tried to create something step by step and be little more careful with the budgets.”
Hoorai
Hoorai’s budgets however, pale in comparison to the other dominant teams. According to insider sources, an approximate monthly budget of $1,600 was simply way too much for an underperforming team that hit rock-bottom of the WC3L before failing to qualify for the following season and facing relegation to NGL-TWO.
| hoorai's approximate monthly budget of $1,600 was simply way too much for an underperforming team |
Yet, sources believe that the players from hoorai felt that they deserve parity with other professional players, with a higher demand in their monthly wages
The official press release from hoorai’s website read:
| … The hoorai GmbH as a young company has its purpose in the best development of its own product that is for example the clan. The representative value is not valid anymore after 2 years of worldwide presence because of the failed WC3L Season XIV qualification and the descent in the NGL TWO. Therefore, a future cooperation is not possible in spite of financially efficient structures. The players have been offered pleasing alternatives to fulfill the contracts so that they are not hindered. One parts with the strategy game genre and nevertheless one doesn’t want to deny a future engagement in this department. The hoorai GmbH will soon announce new highlights and won’t deprive the community of news. |
Does the final statement imply that the organization will re-assemble a new team? If so, who will it consists of?
Is it really worth it?
If history has taught us anything, an organization either comprising or nurturing a team of ‘talented’ players will eventually carry the risk of paying unbelievably high amounts of salaries. A prime example would be none other than Jae Ho “Moon” Jang, when MeetYourMakers decided to pick him up during his slump in early 2006.
The 22-year-old Night elf player is one of today’s top-earning professional players, having earned close to half a million US dollars in prize money throughout his entire career, and is rumored to be receiving a monthly salary of $10,000.

MYM]Moon - The world's top-earning WC3 player
But nonetheless, despite having strong financial back-ups of sponsors and investors, the question remains – is it really worth it?
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PS. I don't claim all of the aforementioned figures are accurate, but I assure all of you that all of these numbers were well-researched ;)
PSS. And just when this article was released.....Delta announced that they would shut down their WC3 team :D Last edited by Wind at 15.07.2008, 21:01
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Such a nice and revealing read.....
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo
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Very interesting article :) Gj Wind!
I think it worth it, because sponsors gets money from commeracials and gets new consumers. Last edited by Frozenik at 15.07.2008, 20:55
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Very interesting article :) Gj Wind!
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Interesting, very interesting
Gvision fanboy, lol :D
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Hmm, one year ago I heard rumors that Moon is earning aroung 7.000 USD, later it was 9.000 and now it's 10.000 :p Moon is gaining shape!
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nice read , i love that kind of articles
Most aimer of my city, the legend, my legend ;)
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Very nice article WinD, keep up the good work : )
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Wow Wind, I'm very impressed!
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Is 45K the budget just for MYM's wc3 squad or the entire organisation?
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To respond to your last question if it is worth. I would say yes, otherwise I see no reason why that business was growing so fast the last years. More and more events pop up, pla
Some ppl come into our lives and quickly go. Some stay ever!
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Good job Wind :D
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great article! very nice to read. i think you should point out in your article that the 45,000 is the monthly budget for wc3 team alone, not the whole organization, as i was also confused by that.
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Great article, actually one of the best I've ever read. Nice work.
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hoorais budget is definitely wrong
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Interesting article, great read. Although all figures are 'estimates', it still gives a lot of insight into the economical aspect of pro-gaming :)
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A piece of advice to you, Wind. When taking a strong standpoint, be prepared to defend it clearly and be transparent in your arguments.
I didn't see Crow say anything about competition - what are you replying to? And what shortcomings are to talking about? Or are you pointing out generally that competition uncovers your strengths and weaknesses? That would hardly be news to anyone, yet it doesn't prove that eSports is a weak or unprofitable market. And then I'm confounded by the next redudancy. "[...]a higher salary...which may not benefit the organizations in the long run." I know what could benefit organizations, and not just the ones in eSports, but the ones all over the world. For all employees to be volunteers! All ridicule aside, this is a question of services provided and expenses paid for those services. A person's right to ask a higher salary is never questioned, but it's up to the organization to grant it or not. They should only grant it, when they can afford it. If not, that pla There's also a thing called investment. To go into the eSports market in the beginning (let's face it, we're only in the beginning) may be risky, but with great risk can come great profit. No one ever made a great profit by always going for the easiest odds. While the yearly income may not be staggering at the moment, names and brands are being created all around us, some of which in the future may experience great growth and fame and profit. Others will wither. It is a natural process. So far you've displayed that you think taking a calculated risk of taking root into one of the fastest growing billion dollar industries is not beneficial because ... a pla (Incase people don't bother to read direct replies) | |
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Wonder if this will be the end of WC3 Ladder, with all the teams disbanding because there not winning, and with Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 coming out, it seems possible. Hope this wont happen though.
The Return of DotA!
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nice article in my opnion is the best that i read here! congratulations wind and mercy! Last edited by frows at 16.07.2008, 02:54
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"Top-flight teams such as SK-Gaming have a monthly budget projected at more than $19,000, while MeetYourMakers boasts an estimate monthly budget of more than $45,000 for their Warcraft III team alone, with the inclusion of their salaries, flights and hotels. "
wow, how can they keep funding the team? I'm looking at you
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Nice article, gw Wind :D
<VisarkA> one night ended with me sleeping in jolies bed
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Very nice Wind, enjoyed it!
Respect the things you cannot change..
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Very nice article!
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very good and interesting read
great job : ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9mVkhCCOgI LOLOLOLOLOL
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great article very nice read and really interesting!
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Very interesting read. You'll be nominate for esport's journalist awards with it, for sure u'll win imo :p
Serious and professional columns, that is part of esport rising. Thx. ^_~ | |
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tocadisco?
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gj MARCUS ;) nice
]www.myMYM.com][Everything you need![www.barebonecenter.de]
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i wonder whats the budget and pla
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Moon > the rest !!!
btw. SouthSea aka Hiro Nakamura ! even if you lose > never give up !
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wind must be well paid ! :c
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nice read!
Better light a candle than curse the darkness!
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Interesting but nothing in comparison to SC Dollars and Cent :)
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I'll challenge some of your figures with actual wages that I know and have proof of. Hoorai paid one pla
“But nonetheless, despite having strong financial back-ups of sponsors and investors, the question remains – is it really worth it?” Strong financial back-ups? How are they strong? Were are the sponsorship deals being signed for five or six years at a time, heck why don't I know how much deals are even worth? Why are none of these supposed investors details publicised, ever? Doesn't sound like a sound finical basis to start with. Meet Your Makers artificially raise the wage levels of the Warcraft III scene and spend more than they receive from sponsors, an aggressive short-term tactic which results in running a deficit. Maybe you should've mentioned that. The deficit is only partly your fault, WC3's prize money is inadequate especially something like WC3L, but then again you can't excuse bad business practice nor MYM's role in WC3 being unstable or expensive in the first place. | |
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Just to show how inadequate and short-sighted the MYM business plan appears to be, I'll question some of your other 'purchases' as well. If you're willing to be as aggressive as you're behaving in WC3, why is your advertising and self promotion so poor? Why not take full advantage of these stupidly expensive pla
Take ZeleNa and Cassandra for example (I don't mean this offensively), neither have any journalism skills or past experience in the type of roles you're employing them in. You can understand why SK would spend money on Carmac, he's the most popular journalist in the scene, is ridiculously well connected and is capable of producing a lot of content for multiple games. So even when SK doesn't win or perform well (thus 'deserving' a Carmac interview) he and SK still profit from other teams success. Someone like Dendra has been nominated two years in a row for the scene journalist award, is he even contracted or paid? Your strategy seems really misguided and cliched. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Grubby LOL XDDD
Life is a bitch,so fuck her xD//Gaming Royalty//.
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we need more of this "behind the scenes" stuff, because it's really interesting to finally see the numbers and the wages. :)
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great article Wind :)
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Quoting flashy: :DDDDDDDDD | |
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nice read, good work windy =)
I don't suffer of insanity, I enjoy every second of it.
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Nice read;) keep up the good work !
We are 4Kings
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Nice article. Never seen one like this before^^
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Quoting Malystryx: I don't mind if it's, I'd be less likely to insult someone unknown ;D | |
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I still don't quite get the "Dollars and Cents behind Warcraft 3" after reading this article. Fine, Hoorai disbanded its WC3 team because it lacked the funds. Why does it lack funds? How did cashflow problems come about?
I was hoping to read on things such as the role of gaming clubs like MYM, SK, 4K, etc. Are they the li Unfortunately, these issues were only touched on briefly without being well-developed. I'm not sure if this was the author's intention, but I didn't learn much from this article. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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The article is about numbers, and he only named about 5 sums.. GG!
Wind please stick to writing news and video interviews :( <3 Can't Wait to head for the States - August 2008
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good work wind
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Nice article Wind, but remember, no matter how much effort you put into your writing there are a million anti-MYM people out there to Judge you harshly. I can honestly say I really enjoyed the article and was a great read for most. Thanks for the information and all your time/deciation to make this article possible. :)
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