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15th July 2008, 16:10

The Dollars and Cents behind Warcraft 3

With more Warcraft 3 divisions being shut down from their organizations, myMYM.com's Marcus 'Wind' Ho goes behind the scene to find out more about the organization's team budgets, salaries and the most important of all - the reason to release their WC3 teams.

Over the years, competitive Warcraft 3 has proven to be a lucrative competition across South Korea, China and even Europe. Every new season of WC3L is getting tougher, and the number of Warcraft tournaments seems to proliferate year after year. More players rise to stardom, and more people begin to watch the game.

However, competitive Warcraft apparently does not just appeal to RTS fans. It is also attracting the attention of wealthy investors, who are presumably today’s sponsors of various professional gaming teams.

On the face of it, this looks like good business.


A myriad of fans turned up to catch their favorite WC3 stars in action at ROTK in Wuhan


Top-flight teams such as SK-Gaming have a monthly budget projected at more than $19,000, while MeetYourMakers boasts an estimate monthly budget of more than $45,000 for their Warcraft III team alone, with the inclusion of their salaries, flights and hotels.

This bulk of money comes mainly from the investors and sponsors behind the organization to endorse and promote their name, products and various brands.

Yet big budgets do not equal large profits.

SK, WE and MYM - How did they survive all these while?

In order to stay competitive, organizations have to spend efforts and resources through media sales (advertisements), team merchandises and micro-payments (i.e. SK Insider, Club MYM, etc.)

The latter half of 2008 has already seen the release of several teams from their respective organizations, one of which that will always remain as THE legendary squad in professional gaming’s history – 4Kings.

But how did these teams possibly fall apart?

Wicked e-Sports

According to mart1n, former manager of wicked e-Sports, pro-gaming is still at its roots, and has a long way to go.

“We worked assiduously to successfully rally a team of both Asians and Europeans. I think we became a very successful team,” mart1n said.

“But unfortunately, not everything turns out as expected from the cooperation, and the people whom you have to rely on. This often happens in cybersports.

“Money was the main reason why the WC3 squad was released. It coincided with the moment we should have gone to the WC3L, when the players had to renew their contracts. But a very small raise were offered to us; much less than the promised ones.


SouthSea and SocceR - One's a lone ranger, while the other had the back-up of MYM

“A monthly budget of $3,000 was simply not enough to keep the team, and it’s a pity we had to part ways.” - mart1n, former manager of wicked e-Sports' WC3 division

“Unfortunately, none of the players agreed to sign since the players have to earn their money from playing games, and most of them are already adults. It is their job. We like each other, but we needed support. A monthly budget about $3,000 was simply not enough to keep the team, and it’s a pity we had to part ways.”

It may also be disbelieve to many, but both Sky and Infi were also linked with the German-based organization, which is presently funded by a private investor.

Mart1n added: “We offered many humans, but to keep our high level we wanted to get one with a great name, and Sky/Infi are for sure great players.

“The CEO promised a budget big enough to keep all the players including Sky and Infi at that time.”

Beijing E-Sports Team

Speculations have always mounted over the sponsors behind the team that harbored one of the most coveted and talented players in the world. Many have suggested that BET was financially supported by the Beijing government due to its namesake.

They were close though, but not exactly right.

Tobi “quiZZ” Stahmer, formerly the manager of BET, says that the squad was part of a consulting company called Munne International Holdings (MHI for short), founded by a popular diplomatic figure, Munne.

“She is very well known in Asia for creating big events in the past like WEG, and being in diplomatic issues between China and Korea. Furthermore, she is able to speak fluently in Korean, Chinese and Japanese, which makes it pretty easy to talk to new partners and that’s why she is the important key-part of the company behind BET.”

In early April however, Warcraft fans woke up to the news that one of the strongest teams were beginning to fall apart as the players began to leave one after another with no apparent reason.


BET's old roster (From left to right): WinNers, Fov, whO, Jini

quiZZ continued: “Of course every expensive project like building a top-team in WarCraft is related with big costs and small profits.

“Especially the Korean players, who have very high expectations concerning their salaries. BET took this risk with the rear cover of a sponsor, but that’s just a very temporary state. Because who likes spending money without receiving something in return?

“Maybe some preparations should have been taken before the team was announced. For example, they should have first prepared a homepage, a structure and then the investments.

“From my point of view, there were just some problems in the communication part and the specific projects to develop the BET brand were not taken too seriously and couldn’t be finished. The sponsors were never brought up in public because there was never a homepage.

“There is no relation between the success of the team and the fans or community. In the case of BET, we had investors who weren’t interested in presenting themselves in public...” - quiZZ, former manager of Beijing E-Sports Team

“There is no relation between the success of the team and the fans or community. In the case of BET, we had investors who weren’t interested in presenting themselves in public. Nevertheless, for every development in e-sports or for making money, a homepage is necessary as a first step and that was missing. They told me, that the homepage is in progress, but nothing happened until now.”

However, quiZZ was also quick to rebuff to suggestions claiming that BET’s Warcraft 3 project was a failure. Despite MHI’s predicament, he believes that the situation can be salvaged, and the squad will make a return to the scene soon enough.

“WC3 is still a growing market in China. Munne and Erica (current owners of BET) are very well known and experienced and as they said, a reconstruction is already planned for the future.

“Maybe it was just a failure to invest all the money in such high paid top-stars like Fov and Sweet. Perhaps they should have just tried to create something step by step and be little more careful with the budgets.”

Hoorai

Hoorai’s budgets however, pale in comparison to the other dominant teams. According to insider sources, an approximate monthly budget of $1,600 was simply way too much for an underperforming team that hit rock-bottom of the WC3L before failing to qualify for the following season and facing relegation to NGL-TWO.

hoorai's approximate monthly budget of $1,600 was simply way too much for an underperforming team

Yet, sources believe that the players from hoorai felt that they deserve parity with other professional players, with a higher demand in their monthly wages

The official press release from hoorai’s website read:

 


The hoorai GmbH as a young company has its purpose in the best development of its own product that is for example the clan.

The representative value is not valid anymore after 2 years of worldwide presence because of the failed WC3L Season XIV qualification and the descent in the NGL TWO.

Therefore, a future cooperation is not possible in spite of financially efficient structures. The players have been offered pleasing alternatives to fulfill the contracts so that they are not hindered.

One parts with the strategy game genre and nevertheless one doesn’t want to deny a future engagement in this department.

The hoorai GmbH will soon announce new highlights and won’t deprive the community of news.

Does the final statement imply that the organization will re-assemble a new team? If so, who will it consists of?

Is it really worth it?

If history has taught us anything, an organization either comprising or nurturing a team of ‘talented’ players will eventually carry the risk of paying unbelievably high amounts of salaries. A prime example would be none other than Jae Ho “Moon” Jang, when MeetYourMakers decided to pick him up during his slump in early 2006.

The 22-year-old Night elf player is one of today’s top-earning professional players, having earned close to half a million US dollars in prize money throughout his entire career, and is rumored to be receiving a monthly salary of $10,000.


MYM]Moon - The world's top-earning WC3 player

But nonetheless, despite having strong financial back-ups of sponsors and investors, the question remains – is it really worth it?

 

 
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(2 years ago)  #1 Wind
Wind
PS. I don't claim all of the aforementioned figures are accurate, but I assure all of you that all of these numbers were well-researched ;)

PSS. And just when this article was released.....Delta announced that they would shut down their WC3 team :D
Last edited by Wind at 15.07.2008, 21:01
(2 years ago)  #2 Elven_Star
Elven_Star
Such a nice and revealing read.....
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo
(2 years ago)  #3 Frozenik
Frozenik
Very interesting article :) Gj Wind!

I think it worth it, because sponsors gets money from commeracials and gets new consumers.
Last edited by Frozenik at 15.07.2008, 20:55
(2 years ago)  #4 Frozenik
Frozenik
Very interesting article :) Gj Wind!
(2 years ago)  #5 SuperaddE
SuperaddE
Interesting, very interesting
Gvision fanboy, lol :D
(2 years ago)  #6 G-Dy
 
Hmm, one year ago I heard rumors that Moon is earning aroung 7.000 USD, later it was 9.000 and now it's 10.000 :p Moon is gaining shape!

To the article: it was very nice to read and very informative, since no one really like to talks about money (the first time I've actually seen figures) :p
(2 years ago)  #7 bMh
bMh
There was a rumour which is said that Korean Pro SC team want to signed Moon with $20.000/month
(2 years ago)  #8 GKoOGrubby
Grubby
#7 actually it was $200,000.


PER DAY.
(2 years ago)  #9 bMh
bMh
I said it was just a stupid rumour according to growing salary ;)
(2 years ago)  #10 Phil
Phil
:D!
I'm forever blowing bubbles!
(2 years ago)  #11 luvstyle
 
i smell jelousy ;D
(2 years ago)  #12 OrCiSWeAk
OrCiSWeAk
who would not be jelous?^^
<3 Hasu
(2 years ago)  #25 NeedsMoreKodoBeasts
 
Grubby it's bad manner to reveal your salary.
(2 years ago)  #45 T0uch
 
Ahah xD
(2 years ago)  #49 technics
technics
wasnt there a cow in the negotiations somewhere aswell?!?

200k and a cow $$
(2 years ago)  #74 sC_Lucifer
sC_Lucifer
WC3 Salary is now nearly to SC salary, remember that Bisu earn arround 14 000$ per month with SKT now, NaDa won 16 000$ per month with FoX!
(2 years ago)  #13 raxhe
 
nice read , i love that kind of articles
Most aimer of my city, the legend, my legend ;)
(2 years ago)  #14 MaliSunSet
MaliSunSet
Very nice article WinD, keep up the good work : )
(2 years ago)  #15 Genie
Genie
Wow Wind, I'm very impressed!
(2 years ago)  #16 LUMS`RheSuS-
RheSuS-
Is 45K the budget just for MYM's wc3 squad or the entire organisation?
Last edited by RheSuS- at 15.07.2008, 23:28
(2 years ago)  #17 Wind
Wind
WC3
(2 years ago)  #18 The1Crow
The1Crow
"estimate"
Some ppl come into our lives and quickly go. Some stay ever!
(2 years ago)  #19 The1Crow
The1Crow
To respond to your last question if it is worth. I would say yes, otherwise I see no reason why that business was growing so fast the last years. More and more events pop up, players receive bigger payments, the prize moneys reach new standards and the 'top teams' keep their teams while new teams are also being established. For me that says, if it wouldn't be worth, means a business were you cannot make profit out of it, why should you do it for so many years?
Some ppl come into our lives and quickly go. Some stay ever!
(2 years ago)  #26 Wind
Wind
Yeah sure, but bear in mind that competition doesn't just allow you to show how good you are, but your shortcomings as well. But yet with more tournaments, players have the right to demand a higher salary...which may not benefit the organizations in the long run.

And ye to #18, its "estimated" :D
(2 years ago)  #27 JohnnyB-122
 
A piece of advice to you, Wind. When taking a strong standpoint, be prepared to defend it clearly and be transparent in your arguments.

I didn't see Crow say anything about competition - what are you replying to? And what shortcomings are to talking about? Or are you pointing out generally that competition uncovers your strengths and weaknesses? That would hardly be news to anyone, yet it doesn't prove that eSports is a weak or unprofitable market.

And then I'm confounded by the next redudancy. "[...]a higher salary...which may not benefit the organizations in the long run." I know what could benefit organizations, and not just the ones in eSports, but the ones all over the world. For all employees to be volunteers!

All ridicule aside, this is a question of services provided and expenses paid for those services. A person's right to ask a higher salary is never questioned, but it's up to the organization to grant it or not. They should only grant it, when they can afford it. If not, that player would not be met with his demands anywhere and would be forced to lower his expectations. If they can afford it, that probably means they have a business model that can reasonably expect them to make a profit.

There's also a thing called investment. To go into the eSports market in the beginning (let's face it, we're only in the beginning) may be risky, but with great risk can come great profit. No one ever made a great profit by always going for the easiest odds. While the yearly income may not be staggering at the moment, names and brands are being created all around us, some of which in the future may experience great growth and fame and profit. Others will wither. It is a natural process.

So far you've displayed that you think taking a calculated risk of taking root into one of the fastest growing billion dollar industries is not beneficial because ... a players salary is a couple of thousands too big.
(2 years ago)  #38 Wind
Wind
Quoting JohnnyB-122:

didn't see Crow say anything about competition - what are you replying to? And what shortcomings are to talking about? Or are you pointing out generally that competition uncovers your strengths and weaknesses? That would hardly be news to anyone, yet it doesn't prove that eSports is a weak or unprofitable market.


Thanks. Regarding my response to crow, yeah, I meant that competitions can be a double-edged sword since it shows not only your strengths, but your weaknesses as well.

Crow mentioned "events", which I assumed he was referring to tournaments/competitions.

Quoting JohnnyB-122:

"A person's right to ask a higher salary is never questioned, but it's up to the organization to grant it or not. They should only grant it, when they can afford it. If not, that player would not be met with his demands anywhere and would be forced to lower his expectations."


You are absolutely right with this. But it is indeed that those players from wicked/BET/hoorai are asking for higher salaries (and they can probably list a million reasons as well), which the organization see no reason to grant, thus explaining why many companies have decided to close their WC3 section.
(2 years ago)  #50 hellstar
hellstar
I agree 10.000$/month for 5st-race is ok...Moon is imba player MYM has...I hope he will be in SC2 team with higher salary :)..but in fact, e-sport is really hard environment...succeed players are few and they can only play in 4-5 years ...
DOTA COLA !!!
(2 years ago)  #20 PD|dasist
dasist
Good job Wind :D
(2 years ago)  #21 4KFNyPG
 
great article! very nice to read. i think you should point out in your article that the 45,000 is the monthly budget for wc3 team alone, not the whole organization, as i was also confused by that.
(2 years ago)  #22 FlaskeWanker
 
Great article, actually one of the best I've ever read. Nice work.
(2 years ago)  #23 Mars
 
hoorais budget is definitely wrong
Last edited by Mars at 16.07.2008, 00:33
(2 years ago)  #24 Mercy
Mercy
I saw your initial response! HEHE :d
Knowing my destiny - Is accepting your defeat...
(2 years ago)  #28 Mars
 
:(
(2 years ago)  #29 Mista_Masta
Mista_Masta
Interesting article, great read. Although all figures are 'estimates', it still gives a lot of insight into the economical aspect of pro-gaming :)
(2 years ago)  #30 JohnnyB-122
 
A piece of advice to you, Wind. When taking a strong standpoint, be prepared to defend it clearly and be transparent in your arguments.

I didn't see Crow say anything about competition - what are you replying to? And what shortcomings are to talking about? Or are you pointing out generally that competition uncovers your strengths and weaknesses? That would hardly be news to anyone, yet it doesn't prove that eSports is a weak or unprofitable market.

And then I'm confounded by the next redudancy. "[...]a higher salary...which may not benefit the organizations in the long run." I know what could benefit organizations, and not just the ones in eSports, but the ones all over the world. For all employees to be volunteers!

All ridicule aside, this is a question of services provided and expenses paid for those services. A person's right to ask a higher salary is never questioned, but it's up to the organization to grant it or not. They should only grant it, when they can afford it. If not, that player would not be met with his demands anywhere and would be forced to lower his expectations. If they can afford it, that probably means they have a business model that can reasonably expect them to make a profit.

There's also a thing called investment. To go into the eSports market in the beginning (let's face it, we're only in the beginning) may be risky, but with great risk can come great profit. No one ever made a great profit by always going for the easiest odds. While the yearly income may not be staggering at the moment, names and brands are being created all around us, some of which in the future may experience great growth and fame and profit. Others will wither. It is a natural process.

So far you've displayed that you think taking a calculated risk of taking root into one of the fastest growing billion dollar industries is not beneficial because ... a players salary is a couple of thousands too big.

(Incase people don't bother to read direct replies)
(2 years ago)  #31 Champ-
Champ-
Wonder if this will be the end of WC3 Ladder, with all the teams disbanding because there not winning, and with Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 coming out, it seems possible. Hope this wont happen though.
The Return of DotA!
(2 years ago)  #32 mymFfrows
frows
xxx[...]



nice article
in my opnion is the best that i read here!


congratulations wind and mercy!
Last edited by frows at 16.07.2008, 02:54

be the best
(2 years ago)  #33 Mercy
Mercy
I didnt contributr with anything to the article, just corrected a minor error.
Knowing my destiny - Is accepting your defeat...
(2 years ago)  #34 oppenz
 
"Top-flight teams such as SK-Gaming have a monthly budget projected at more than $19,000, while MeetYourMakers boasts an estimate monthly budget of more than $45,000 for their Warcraft III team alone, with the inclusion of their salaries, flights and hotels. "


wow, how can they keep funding the team?

I'm looking at you
(2 years ago)  #36 Wind
Wind
Through sponsors and investors
(2 years ago)  #40 Phil
Phil
Because I am so daaaaaamn l33t at making money!
I'm forever blowing bubbles!
(2 years ago)  #41 imported_flashy
imported_flashy
at red light district?
play more!!
(2 years ago)  #43 4KFmatthe
matthe
hehehehe :>

BTW a nice article :D

Not swearing on internet? It's against my religion.
(2 years ago)  #44 [SLO]Heldarion
Heldarion
roflcopter and gj on the article :)
<Xeqn> someone translated your warding guide to Chinese
(2 years ago)  #35 BA|frequency-
frequency-
Nice article, gw Wind :D
<VisarkA> one night ended with me sleeping in jolies bed
(2 years ago)  #37 iaMsWarm
iaMsWarm
Very nice Wind, enjoyed it!
Respect the things you cannot change..
(2 years ago)  #39 Eeteuk
 
Very nice article!
(2 years ago)  #42 Dragonite
 
very good and interesting read

great job : )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9mVkhCCOgI LOLOLOLOLOL
(2 years ago)  #46 oX
 
great article very nice read and really interesting!
(2 years ago)  #47 T0uch
 
Very interesting read. You'll be nominate for esport's journalist awards with it, for sure u'll win imo :p

Serious and professional columns, that is part of esport rising.
Thx.

^_~
(2 years ago)  #48 RESTINPEE
RESTINPEE
tocadisco?
(2 years ago)  #51 Rippche
Rippche
gj MARCUS ;) nice
]www.myMYM.com][Everything you need![www.barebonecenter.de]
(2 years ago)  #52 Cylex
 
i wonder whats the budget and players salary over at WE is considering the average pay for china workers is est USD$600+
(2 years ago)  #53 uNder
uNder
Moon > the rest !!!

btw. SouthSea aka Hiro Nakamura !

even if you lose > never give up !
(2 years ago)  #54 Boubou
Boubou
wind must be well paid ! :c
(2 years ago)  #55 NeverGG
 
nice read!
Better light a candle than curse the darkness!
(2 years ago)  #56 CryMeAReaver
CryMeAReaver
Interesting but nothing in comparison to SC Dollars and Cent :)
(2 years ago)  #57 nebu
nebu
oh rly? and why did moon earn last year more than every sc player??
turn on, tune in, drop out..
(2 years ago)  #58 CryMeAReaver
CryMeAReaver
The best SC players earn 500.000 US Dollars for contracts and about 200.000 US Dollars for Prizes and Advertisment. Please dont talk about thinks you dont know.

Moon: and is rumored to be receiving a monthly salary of $10,000. (120.000$ a year + maybe another 100.000 US Dollar)

BTW: 100.000 US Dollar is the average salery of the top 25 kespa gamers.

My Infos are 16 month old but you can be sure that they wont earn less since that time.
Last edited by CryMeAReaver at 16.07.2008, 20:59
(2 years ago)  #59 Wind
Wind
SC geek!!!
(2 years ago)  #68 Phil
Phil
NaDa us currently one of the best paid SC-players and is assumingly earning $200,000 on salaries (he signed a 3-year contract worth 600k $), but half a million is a bit over the goalpost.
I'm forever blowing bubbles!
(2 years ago)  #69 Phil
Phil
http://www.mymym.com/en/news/4993.html
I'm forever blowing bubbles!
(2 years ago)  #72 CryMeAReaver
CryMeAReaver
this numbers are not up to date. Savior got a contract with 250.000/year a year ago. But ya its correct I exaggerated.
Last edited by CryMeAReaver at 17.07.2008, 15:51
(2 years ago)  #62 imperator-xy
 
#57
It was just price money. Moon earned ~120.000, sAviOr ~118.000 and Bisu ~115.000.
But, as CryMeAReaver said, their salary is much bigger.

Btw. nice article :P
(2 years ago)  #64 nebu
nebu
is the article about sc or wc3?
turn on, tune in, drop out..
(2 years ago)  #60 _evan
_evan
I'll challenge some of your figures with actual wages that I know and have proof of. Hoorai paid one player $2858 in wages over a six-month period, according to you he earnt almost a third of the teams monthly wage by himself - I somehow doubt that (ignoring the fact someone from Hoorai already said your figure was wrong).

“But nonetheless, despite having strong financial back-ups of sponsors and investors, the question remains – is it really worth it?”

Strong financial back-ups? How are they strong? Were are the sponsorship deals being signed for five or six years at a time, heck why don't I know how much deals are even worth? Why are none of these supposed investors details publicised, ever? Doesn't sound like a sound finical basis to start with.

Meet Your Makers artificially raise the wage levels of the Warcraft III scene and spend more than they receive from sponsors, an aggressive short-term tactic which results in running a deficit. Maybe you should've mentioned that.

The deficit is only partly your fault, WC3's prize money is inadequate especially something like WC3L, but then again you can't excuse bad business practice nor MYM's role in WC3 being unstable or expensive in the first place.
(2 years ago)  #61 _evan
_evan
Just to show how inadequate and short-sighted the MYM business plan appears to be, I'll question some of your other 'purchases' as well. If you're willing to be as aggressive as you're behaving in WC3, why is your advertising and self promotion so poor? Why not take full advantage of these stupidly expensive players?

Take ZeleNa and Cassandra for example (I don't mean this offensively), neither have any journalism skills or past experience in the type of roles you're employing them in. You can understand why SK would spend money on Carmac, he's the most popular journalist in the scene, is ridiculously well connected and is capable of producing a lot of content for multiple games. So even when SK doesn't win or perform well (thus 'deserving' a Carmac interview) he and SK still profit from other teams success.

Someone like Dendra has been nominated two years in a row for the scene journalist award, is he even contracted or paid? Your strategy seems really misguided and cliched.
(2 years ago)  #65 JohnnyB-122
 
Time after time you show your social insecurity by requiring to critique other people to feel some sense of self-worth. It is this behaviour of yours that will make sure no one will ever feel about you the way that they feel about Carmac. It's got to do with the one major attribute you always forget to include in your own arsenal.

Being well liked.

You go out of your way to be an ass - you might be right some of the time, you might be wrong some of the time. again, this is not about your arguments, it's about the way you present them. you're an ass.

While you might be an incredibly proficient journalist, and I doubt it, or you'd be doing something more important and well paid, you are not well liked. ZeleNa and Cassandra might be inexperienced, but they are well liked.

You are an ass.
(2 years ago)  #70 _evan
_evan
JohnnyB-122, it should've been "you're an ass".
(2 years ago)  #77 JohnnyB-122
 
Haha, unbelievable. I left that mistake in my text on purpose just to see whether you'll go for it. Absolutely contemptible that when you have nothing better to say, you go for the spelling. Self-owned completely ;P
(2 years ago)  #79 _evan
_evan
“Self-owned completely”, not especially. I was just taken back by the aggressiveness and irrelevance of your initial comment, personal attacks aside I will however give you a proper reply to your original point(s) now that I'm not busy.

I'm not socially insecure and don't need to criticise anyone to make myself feel any better. Check my guest book and see both Wind and other members of this website appreciate the constructive criticism I've previously given. I've no intention of building a reputation like Carmac's and I'm not especially bothered about being well liked - I leave that to Malystryx. ;)

“You go out of your way to be an ass”

I don't. Most well known writers in the scene don't comment on other writers work. I think it's quite arrogant and pointless to act like I don't read or care about another writers work or other websites. It was in fact Carmac who linked me to this article but I doubt he would ever leave a comment on MYM.

Why should I not be allowed to criticise or leave comments like normal users, that's what I'm after all? Wind doesn't need me to tell him that this was a “great article”, though when a piece of work is really good I will say so without issue. I rarely leave comments which would make me an ass to be honest, in most cases I try to be an antithesis to whatever arguments or conclusions the writer has drawn purely to make sure it's the right one.

The fact he could only retort by claiming I was “too naive” shows how weak the argument and facts presented were. I countered with verifiable and accurate facts, ignoring that the Hoorai manager said the figure Wind gave was wrong, I proved it was incredibly unlikely. Why should I believe any of his other figures are correct?

“While you might be an incredibly proficient journalist, and I doubt it, or you'd be doing something more important and well paid[...]”

Again irrelevant, but I'm waiting on one of the desk editors at the Guardian getting back to me about an article I wrote. I've only written two articles (outside of university) about 'mainstream' subjects, neither of which was amazing but journalism is something I'm only semi-interested in. I can upload something if you're interested or you can check out some of my eSports articles and columns – here.

“ZeleNa and Cassandra might be inexperienced, but they are well liked.”

That's because they're good looking women not because they're good at their jobs. Thus my point about the cliched coverage strategy. The irony is quite funny here though, the one and only blog of Cassandra's which you could actually label journalism was completely ripped to shreds by the users and guess what? Despite the fact she didn't quite word her argument well, she was right and I defended her vigorously. I've been reading Cassandra's 'work' since she was in 4Kings, not that you would take that into consideration.
(2 years ago)  #80 JohnnyB-122
 
I didn't look at it that way, you've turned me into a believer. Just try not to be an ass that much. BUT you are insecure.
Last edited by JohnnyB-122 at 18.07.2008, 13:03
(2 years ago)  #66 Wind
Wind
Quoting _evan:

Strong financial back-ups? How are they strong? Were are the sponsorship deals being signed for five or six years at a time, heck why don't I know how much deals are even worth? Why are none of these supposed investors details publicised, ever? Doesn't sound like a sound finical basis to start with.


Investors need not publicize themselves. They invest a certain amount of percentage in the company, and sell their shares a few years/months later when the company's net worth goes up. Sponsors on the other hand (in the case of BET), might have/may choose to publicize themselves later, perhaps a different marketing strategy...which obviously failed.

Regarding the rest of your critique on MYM, no offense but you are way too naive about this.
(2 years ago)  #71 _evan
_evan
"Regarding the rest of your critique on MYM, no offense but you are way too naive about this."

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. While you're not responsible for their bad business, you should be smart enough to know that posting an article like this on MYM is going to make someone with actual knowledge cringe, "oh the irony!".

Funny how you choose to call me naive though, that will probably come back to bite you on the ass.
(2 years ago)  #82 Malystryx
Malystryx
MYM, _evan's new hunting grounds ^^ JohnnyB-122 definitely someone's smurf account ^^
Last edited by Malystryx at 18.07.2008, 23:19

Lawrence "Malystryx" Phillips
(2 years ago)  #83 Malystryx
Malystryx
MYM, _evan's new hunting grounds ^^ JohnnyB-122 definitaly someone's smurf account ^^
Lawrence "Malystryx" Phillips
(2 years ago)  #63 4KFKurail
Kurail
Grubby LOL XDDD
Life is a bitch,so fuck her xD//Gaming Royalty//.
(2 years ago)  #67 reyu
 
we need more of this "behind the scenes" stuff, because it's really interesting to finally see the numbers and the wages. :)
(2 years ago)  #73 sC_Lucifer
sC_Lucifer
great article Wind :)
(2 years ago)  #75 Hendrik-
Hendrik-
Quoting flashy:

at red light district?


:DDDDDDDDD
(2 years ago)  #76 SqRqH
SqRqH
nice read, good work windy =)
I don't suffer of insanity, I enjoy every second of it.
(2 years ago)  #78 GKoOJustLittlestar-
JustLittlestar-
Nice read;) keep up the good work !
We are 4Kings
(2 years ago)  #81 OMFG_ITS_ROHIT
 
Nice article. Never seen one like this before^^
(2 years ago)  #84 _evan
_evan
Quoting Malystryx:

MYM, _evan's new hunting grounds ^^ JohnnyB-122 definitely someone's smurf account ^^


I don't mind if it's, I'd be less likely to insult someone unknown ;D
(2 years ago)  #85 fril
 
I still don't quite get the "Dollars and Cents behind Warcraft 3" after reading this article. Fine, Hoorai disbanded its WC3 team because it lacked the funds. Why does it lack funds? How did cashflow problems come about?

I was hoping to read on things such as the role of gaming clubs like MYM, SK, 4K, etc. Are they the link between sponsors and gamers? What do they do exactly? Why is it that 4K's WC3 team, which was among the top 2 in the world in its time, had to disband, while other teams that weren't as consistent in performance are still surviving?

Unfortunately, these issues were only touched on briefly without being well-developed. I'm not sure if this was the author's intention, but I didn't learn much from this article.
(2 years ago)  #88 Wind
Wind
Obviously you didn't read/understand the article at all.

There were never cashflow problems in Hoorai or 4K. WC3 is an immensely popular game, and progamers have been demanding a higher salary, in which the teams (i.e. wicked, BET, hoorai, 4K, and even Delta) saw no benefit to, or simply could not afford it. That explains why they have finally decided to let their respective WC3 teams go.
(2 years ago)  #91 fril
 
So why is it that MYM can maintain such an expensive WC3 team? The pre-Grubby MYM team had a higher payroll than the then more successful 4K team. I'm presuming that a more successful team rolls in more income by attracting better sponsors.
(2 years ago)  #92 Wind
Wind
Hey Einstein, you didn't really bother to read did you?

For the last time, here's the benefit of the doubt:

-- TAKEN FROM THE ARTICLE --

This bulk of money comes mainly from the investors and sponsors behind the organization to endorse and promote their name, products and various brands.

Yet big budgets do not equal large profits.

In order to stay competitive, organizations have to spend efforts and resources through media sales (advertisements), team merchandises and micro-payments (i.e. SK Insider, Club MYM, etc.)

---

4K, BET or even wicked failed to do any of the aforementioned businesses. In the case of 4K, the players were not promoted/marketed at all, despite the team's success.
(2 years ago)  #86 wNv|cr1stal
cr1stal
The article is about numbers, and he only named about 5 sums.. GG!

Wind please stick to writing news and video interviews :( <3

Can't Wait to head for the States - August 2008
(2 years ago)  #87 Wind
Wind
Who said this article was about numbers?

Read the introduction paragraph.
(2 years ago)  #89 Phil
Phil
If you think so, you missed the entire meaning with the article. Read it or stop making stupid statements.
I'm forever blowing bubbles!
(2 years ago)  #90 4KFDaemon91
Daemon91
Lol, I think you didn't read the article...

Good job Wind!
(2 years ago)  #93 Kanton
Kanton
good work wind
(2 years ago)  #94 timbucktoo
 
Nice article Wind, but remember, no matter how much effort you put into your writing there are a million anti-MYM people out there to Judge you harshly. I can honestly say I really enjoyed the article and was a great read for most. Thanks for the information and all your time/deciation to make this article possible. :)

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