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06th May 2008, 11:25

ROTK Part 1 *Pictures*

I'm back from ROTK. It had been such a tiring trip that I felt sick on the flight on my way back to Amsterdam. My job at this trip wasn't too hard, but almost everyday I had to endure the whole day with little sleep each night. Since Mandarin is my second language, I assumed the role of a nanny for the whole MYM Team xD. Everyday I brought them out for food, ordered the Chinese food in Mandarin, making sure that the players stayed strong and healthy! Also took over the translating job at the tournament because the Chinese referees can't speak English. Also helped the players with PC system adjustments, because the computer systems were in Mandarin.

No more fever right now, but still having a badly running nose, so I have to reach for tissues to sneeze every few minutes. *sneeze*

Anyway, on the way back Grubby and I nearly missed our flight too! We left the hotel together with Jonas and Wind, but we took different cabs. Halfway, Jonas called me on the phone and told me that their cab had broken down and they had to wait for another cab. I was thinking "wow so unlucky! What are the chances of a taxi breaking down with you in it? At least it didn't happen to us yet". Then shortly after, our cab reached a flooded point in the middle of the highway.

As you see in the video below, the water level in the flooded highway is quite high - it would reach above an adult's knee.

So I sms'ed Jonas and told him to ask his cab not to take that highway to the airport because of the flood. Our cab driver was pretty flexible (actually he was a fucking hero - superman), he turned around on this one-way highway, went against the traffic for a few kilometers (which was really pretty scary with cars charging right at us!), went into some small roads and eventually found another way to the airport. When we were on our way again, Jonas called and said he was now at the flood point, and couldn't make it for the flight anymore because his cab driver said there's no other way around the flood (Jonas got a noob driver). I got my cab driver on the phone with his cab driver to inform her of the other way to the airport. When Grubby and I reached the airport, we had to jump queue all the way and finally we made it. It was really lucky and fortunate. We couldn't afford to miss this flight (Wuhan to Beijing), because we had a connecting flight from Beijing to Paris and Paris to Amsterdam. It was quite unfortunate that Jonas and Wind didn't make it for their flight, but it was not too bad for them as they didn't have any connecting flights, with Beijing as their destination.

Grubby and I spent 9 days in China on this trip. We arrived in Beijing 2 days earlier. The documentary maker Jos De Putter did some filming on Grubby. Jos De Putter is currently making a documentary featuring Grubby, Sky and Madfrog. The documentary will probably be released at the end of this year. You can find Jos De Putter's achievements HERE. Grubby also did some practice on VS-Client platform (similar to GG-Client), which proved to be really effective.

I've decided to divide the pictures from ROTK into two. Here goes the first part:

Grubby loves nice Chinese food.

 

Firm eggplant with cuttlefish vegetables.

 

It's the internet cafe that Grubby spent a whole night training in. Thanks to Jonas, he found this place for us, it's pretty cool. These little compact stations you see here in the picture on cost 2 yuan per hour (20 euro cents per hour).

 

This is the station that Grubby used, the most expensive ones in the internet cafe as it's more private, but it only cost 8 yuan per hour (80 euro cents per hour).

 

The more common ones are on shared tables with leather arm chairs, it costs around 6 yuan per hour (60 euro cents per hour).

 

Grubby trained for the whole night in Beijing - the night before flying to Wuhan.

 

We meet Space for the first time in person. Very admirable guy, a real inspiration to e-Sports.

 

Grubby and Susiria pose.

 

Suddenly it became their personal photo-shoot.

 

 

Grubby and Susiria again.

 

Grubby and Susiria again.

 

A fruit stall we passed by as we went out to search for food around 9 plus at night.

 

A big bunch of trash beside the fruit stall. Many other parts of China are not as developed as Beijing or Shanghai.

 

A really cute dog which looks like a bear!

 

A BBQ stall at the roadside, which we didn't try.

 

 

Everyone arrived at the event early in the morning the first day.

 

Grubby and me waiting to get into the building.

 

Lots of people waiting to get in too.

 

WE.Sky in sunglasses.

 

BeT.Jini

 

Players waited for about 5 hours for the first game to start on the first day.

 

The Koreans are playing on their PSP as usual. XD

 

Space and his brother often play "Scissors Paper Stone".

 

MYM DreamTeam watching replays.

 

MYM DreamTeam warming up.

 

Moon concentrating..

 

...as Grubby watches...

 

...and day dreams.

 

wNv.Th000

The game between wNv.Th000 and MYM.Grubby didn't finish. MYM gave win to wNv because MYM team all agree that Grubby do not need to continue the game because of honor.

In mid game, Th000 paused the game without asking. Grubby was upset because when he asked why he paused, Th000 didn't reply. Later Th000 said it's because of a pop up (computer problem). Then Th000 unpaused the game without asking. Grubby was shocked because he was not in front of the computer, he was just standing and checking out what is happening. Then Th000 paused the game again. Th000 then saved the game. Th000 later explained that it was a mistake to unpause the game without asking.

At this point Grubby requested for a re-game, because what little chance he had of winning the game would be even lower. The game was affected.

MYM tried to explain it to the Chinese referees - it's stated in the rules of ROTK that pausing the game without asking is against the rules (When Moon was playing against wNv earlier, he had monitor problem. MYM also asked for referee's permission to pause before pausing the game, because MYM knows the rules.)

The referees didn't know this was in the rules. So they spent some time investigating. When it was sure this was indeed in the rules, they told MYM "Yes, it's like that - this was indeed against the rules, but the rule book didn't state the punishment." The referees didn't allow a re-game. They say Grubby has to play from the saved game and insisted that the pausing, unpausing and pausing again didn't affect the game at all. Grubby reasoned that the game is affected because each pause has a 1 sec lapsed, and the unpausing with Grubby away from computer was very unfair too. The referees said the first pause was a computer problem, not Th000's mistake, and that the unpausing and pausing again was Th000's mistake, but it was not on purpose.

wNv refused a re-game. Grubby refused to play from the saved game. There was a 3 hour discussion. Finally the referees decided that the only option is Grubby playing from the saved game.

MYM didn't think the decision was fair, but had to accept it. It was also MYM's decision to give win for the game. To them, it was a matter of honor.

Of course we do understand why wNv refused to give a re-game. It's normal that every team will fight for their own players, no matter what the situation is. wNv said that Th000 had a very high chance of winning that game, even without the pausing, or that few seconds of unpausing when Grubby was away from the computer. So wNv insisted that Grubby continues the same game. Grubby did admit that the game looks bad for him during the pausing, but he is not going to continue from the save game when Th000 just gave him even more disadvantage by unpausing game when he is not around. A few seconds in a Warcraft III game do make a lot of difference. Also such actions greatly upset the opponent's concentration and mood. The ROTK admins decided that a re-game is not allowed, as they reasoned that Grubby was already in a disadvantage anyway, and they stressed out that a few seconds of Grubby being away from the game does not affect the game. Since the decisions were made by the referees, there's nothing else MYM could do.

Another thing to put into consideration is that the whole wNv team watched the replay during the 3 hour discussion in Mandarin. And MYM team didn't. When a replay is being watched and discussed for 3 hours, how can it still be fair for Grubby to continue the same game?

My conclusion is this: wNv was not wrong, MYM was not wrong. It's not wrong to fight for your own team. Everyone does it I guess. If MYM is in wNv's position, perhaps we might also fight the same way, who knows. The fault lies with the ROTK organisation. In my opinion, the rules of tournaments in China should be more clear, and should be strictly followed. Hopefully no more changing of rules, as I have heard of so often. A professional tournament should be organized, rules should be followed, and decisions should be made faster (not 3 hours discussion), and referees should be able to communicate in English (at international tournaments).

It's very touching when Grubby shaked hands with Th000 after he default loss, and he told Th000 that he was not angry at him, he was angry at the referees for taking so long to come to a conclusion. Seriously... it was like a delay of 3 hours!!

Also, when MYM was playing against World Elite to decide who goes to the finals. Sky and Infi disconnected against Susiria and Lucifer. Since it was obvious that Susiria and Lucifer was winning that game, the referee told MYM that Susiria and Lucifer has a win on the disconnect. But a few minutes later he actually changed his mind and say this is a regame! A referee who goes back on his words in a "professional" tournament? Guess what? MYM can't do anything but to also accept this.

Losemann tried his best to fight for MYM's rights when necessary, but it's impossible to win arguments against the referees.

In gaming tournaments in Korea, if a player pauses the game without asking, there's a good chance he will get a default lost straight away. But this is in Korea where professional gaming has existed for many many years. A sudden pause in the game directly affects the opponent. Not only because of the 1 second lapse, but also because it breaks the concentration of the player.

We do not expect the same rules to apply in China now, as professional gaming there is not as developed as the professional gaming in Korea. But we are pretty confident that China is on its way to bring better rules and better organized tournaments since their gaming industry is growing. And right now, China is the country with the most Warcraft III tournaments. Surely, things will only get better. :)

 

XiaoT, the Orc King of China.

 

Susiria at dinner.

 

*shoots*

 

Well, this is indeed a very large blog, sorry to squeeze so much together. :p

More pictures will come next blog~~

Also check out Jona's blogs HERE, he has great plans of bringing China closer to Europe. :)

 

 
Comments (60)

 

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(2 months ago)  #1 myMYM|The1Crow
The1Crow
Yeah, you really had luck with the gosu taxi driver ;))
Some ppl come into our lives and quickly go. Some stay ever!
(2 months ago)  #2 myMYM|Cassandra
Cassandra
Haha yeah I think so too! He was sooo pro!!

The taxi fare was in the end nearly 200 yuan and we gave him 220 yuan for rushing so much for us. In the end we made it for the flight at the airport. Should have tipped him more. Such drivers are hard to find! Haha.. :D

Laugh as much as you breathe and love as long as you live.
(2 months ago)  #55 tONYHeeeeee
 
i just wanna add, as a chinese, believe or not, i guess 30 percent of all male taxi drivers in China can definitely do that
Last edited by tONYHeeeeee at 12.05.2008, 04:10
(2 months ago)  #3 kOoZiN
kOoZiN
Nice photos :)
(2 months ago)  #4 Shevchenko_Roman
Shevchenko_Roman
Manuel how many days you did not sleep))
(2 months ago)  #6 myMYM|Cassandra
Cassandra
This tournament don't allow the players to have much sleep at all. That's why some of them look pretty tired.

Even I can't have beauty sleep, because I have to bring the players safely to the event every morning, and at night after the games, bring everyone to eat supper before bringing them all back to the hotel safely.

Sometimes because of delays, games drag till pretty late at night.

Laugh as much as you breathe and love as long as you live.
(2 months ago)  #36 DNRandoyX
andoyX
Wow, you're like the mother figure / babysitter / girlfriend of Grubby! Lucky guy! hahaha.

Nice read, it really sucks if admins are inconsistent and unjust...
Nice pics too!

BTW, you should've tried the barbecue at the stalls! Haha. It's YUMMy, but it's not that clean though.

A world w/o walls and fences - who needs Windows and Gates?
(2 months ago)  #56 TheModestMouse
 
dont we all want a second mum ><
(2 months ago)  #5 myMYM|ZeeMike
ZeeMike
Great blog Cassandra, as always. Great pics too!

Speaking of Th000 vs Grubby game...
Crow already mentioned, that the Chinese admins were not fair in many ways.
What I can say from what you described above is that the admins were clearly in favor of Chinese players. The situation was purely unfair, no one obeyed the rules and they acted like nothing had happened. Moreover, it is sad to see such a behavior and lack of professionalism in an issue regarding Chinese team on a tournament organized by the Chinese. Kind of weird, huh?

I just strongly, really strongly hope, that the tournament administration did NOT help in ANY way World Elite to achieve what they had achieved. I believe that the fact that a whole-Chinese team won ROTK (believe it or not, a team that was not that strong in any of online tourneys) was purely due to their skill and fair play on these days and not due to a bunch of one-sided admins.

Do not hesitate.
(2 months ago)  #7 myMYM|JustLittleStar-
JustLittleStar-
very nice article as always! pics are just cool too!
See you and Grubby in Moscow at This weekend!hope that you will enjoy your trip!
Last edited by JustLittleStar- at 06.05.2008, 19:43

4K will remain in memory as a legend...
(2 months ago)  #8 Udaibe
 
Nice blog.
It puts u (Cassandra) one step higher that u accepted the attitude from th000.
But in my opinion the organisation was bad ,
but it had nothing to do with th000, that he paused and unpaused the game without saying something. That was only the manner of th000 and
in this case it had nothing to do with the organisation...
(2 months ago)  #9 4KFStenGah
StenGah
Also, when MYM was playing against World Elite to decide who goes to the finals. Sky and Infi disconnected against Susiria and Lucifer.
Since it was obvious that Susiria and Lucifer was winning that game, the referee told MYM that Susiria and Lucifer has a win on the disconnect.

But a few minutes later he actually changed his mind and say this is a regame! A referee who goes back on his words in a "professional" tournament? Guess what? MYM can't do anything but to also accept this.

FU** THE REFEREES!
(2 months ago)  #10 Shival
Shival
I can't believe they have no punishment on a clearly written rule, why would they make a rule without some form of punishment? Just so you can break it... it makes no sense. :)
If so though, Cassandra is right and we need to give China time to develop their e-sport tournaments, however it would have been a good idea to look at other tournaments before making their own. Why want to do the same hard work at developing rules while other tournaments have already gone through that stage and have good working rules. In essence, they've paved their roads, and they should try to walk those roads. Instead of making new ones.

Anyway, great read. I like how you add pictures and some footnotes with it, makes the atmosphere of the tournament so much easier to understand. I never got that so much with the galleries.
Last edited by Shival at 06.05.2008, 22:23
(2 months ago)  #11 Forkxx
Forkxx
Yo, I liked the dog! ;]

Seems like all MYM team is having a hard work! Keep going guys! Not only MYM, but all players, you're true heroes who can wait 5 hours to play.

gl to all.!

It's Coke time!
(2 months ago)  #12 myMYM|uNder
uNder
just nice ! ;););)
even if you lose > never give up !
(2 months ago)  #13 Malystryx
Malystryx
Cool piccies =] Why not upload them during the event though! You were so quiet during it, too busy interviewing Sky?:D
Lawrence "SK.Malystryx" Phillips ~ SK Gaming
(2 months ago)  #17 myMYM|Cassandra
Cassandra
I was very busy taking care of the whole MYM team every single day. If someone does not speak and read mandarin, it's not easy to survive in China without some help. Ordering food, talking to hotel reception, talking to game referees etc

Morever I do not have a laptop at the moment. No place I can upload my pictures to during the event.

I'll probably buy a laptop soon, so I can upload pictures at events. Which laptop would you suggest?

Laugh as much as you breathe and love as long as you live.
(2 months ago)  #26 Malystryx
Malystryx
ahaaa! :D You and Mrs The1crow were the babysitters :D Fair enough ^^
Lawrence "SK.Malystryx" Phillips ~ SK Gaming
(2 months ago)  #27 myMYM|Cassandra
Cassandra
Haha... Wind babysits Jonas 24 hours (since they stay in same room and stick together 24 hours.. kekeke).

I babysit the MYM players and Losemann.

Laugh as much as you breathe and love as long as you live.
(2 months ago)  #59 _evan
_evan
"I'll probably buy a laptop soon, so I can upload pictures at events. Which laptop would you suggest?"

Any of these - http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=24

I've just bought the Eee PC 900 and it's great, I'll be taking it to an event over the weekend.
(2 months ago)  #14 cunty
cunty
nice photos of the 网吧 net cafe. those are the breeding grounds for esports posterity. the culture in asia allows for persecution-free gaming...
有机会你们来北京发呆喽。 我和大鼻子欢迎大家到北京来玩一玩。
(2 months ago)  #19 myMYM|Cassandra
Cassandra
Hey you are white, stays in China, speaks and type chinese?? WOW

:D

Laugh as much as you breathe and love as long as you live.
(2 months ago)  #15 Contrail
 
Excellent coverage / pics. I look forwards to part 2 and kode5 !
(2 months ago)  #16 Unbelievable
 
Nice blog-) And fine pictures

Btw, the description of situation with TH000 is so different from what I've read at sk site...

Boo!
(2 months ago)  #18 myMYM|Cassandra
Cassandra
Thanks. :)

I don't visit SK often, so I didn't read anything. If the story they write is one-sided, it will of course sound pretty different. :)

Laugh as much as you breathe and love as long as you live.
(2 months ago)  #20 Unbelievable
 
I guess, every involved organisation would post a one-sided story.

Anyway, when such situation happens, it's up to referee to make a fair decision. So, I agree with you, it was organisation fault.
But it's not a first (and probably not worst) case of "weird" judging in e-sports, just remember scandalous WCG in US last year...
Last edited by Unbelievable at 07.05.2008, 11:04

Boo!
(2 months ago)  #24 myMYM|Cassandra
Cassandra
What was the scandal in WCG?
Laugh as much as you breathe and love as long as you live.
(2 months ago)  #25 Unbelievable
 
There were lots of scandals in cs tournament.

http://www.mymym.com/en/article/487.html
Last edited by Unbelievable at 07.05.2008, 14:20

Boo!
(2 months ago)  #28 myMYM|Cassandra
Cassandra
Wow.. I didn't know this.. hehe..

I was also at WCG Seattle, and also saw some of the CS teams. Perhaps I missed the action. :P

Laugh as much as you breathe and love as long as you live.
(2 months ago)  #21 RESTINPEE</