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08th February 2008, 21:00

LiiLD.C - Too little to stand tall?

Marcus “Wind” Ho takes a look back at the downfall of the once-glorious 4Kings, more specifically their latest acquisition, LiiLD.C.

Being part of the effulgent 4Kings is like a double-edged sword – it cuts both ways. With a place in 4K to play alongside with stellar names like Grubby and ToD, one will indubitably be recognized as a top-notch player, or at least with a substantial amount of talent which has yet to be unleashed. Yet, the community expects a 4K-player to perform as significant as those aforementioned players.

When the awe-inspiring Night elf player, Creolophus decided to hang up his mouse for good, 4Kings surprised everyone by picking up LiiLD.C in the wake of his exit from the European division of World Elite as a replacement for the WCG2007 winner.

However with a 6-month stint of fairly ineffective performances since the 18-year-old joined up with the UK-based team, the suggestion of Sweden’s bright and young hope is fading fast.

With a victory at DreamHack Summer 2006 and a handful of respectable finishes at various events, LiiLD.C proved to be a player of obvious potential, as it takes a lot to catch the eye of the illustrious Grubby and ToD. However, the Swede has struggled to develop his talent with a squad hampered by massive pressure.


LiiLD.C's WC3L record
WE.EU	54.5% win
4Kings	40% win

With a disappointing WC3L record of 3 losses out of 5 games played for 4Kings, compared to 5 losses out of 11 games for WE.EU, one can easily glean that the Night elf player has been showing little to no sign of progress since his arrival at 4Kings.

Indeed, a second runner-up position at the recent DreamHack Winter 2007 may appear to be a remarkable achievement, but let’s rehash by taking into account that almost no notable names were competing in that event, with the exception of the other former 4Kings representatives.

Commendable? Probably not so.

Like Creolophus, LiiLD.C started out as a player eager for improvement, with a multitude of no-frills strategies in his arsenal, complemented by a fair level of micromanagement skills. Yet, the disparities between the 2 Night elf players are evident.

The Norwegian began to captivate critics by displaying a stunning performance just one month after he teamed up with 4Kings in Stars War 3 (June 2006). Creolophus has also played an integral role in the squad’s lineup which led them to victory in the tenth season of WC3L, with only 3 players – including ToD and Grubby.

On the other hand, while the hype with LiiLD.C being part of the prestigious squad may have presented the player’s big chance to impress, in fact it did almost the opposite and only served to highlight the teenager’s limitations as a gamer.

LiiLD.C - Will he ever make the cut?

Unless the young Night elf player can follow suit, it seems unlikely that the player will grasp the attention of any onlookers, and is destined to remain as only a player with middling success. But whatever the expectation level heaps upon him now, LiiLD.C can now take solace from the disbandment of 4Kings.

With a place in PGS.PokerStrategy to further his development now, the prospect of LiiLD.C making the grade now remains to be seen. He has, after all claimed his fair share of bragging rights from EuroCup Finals, Extreme Masters, inCup victories and a 50% winning record in NGL-One.

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(last year) #1 MaskiraniaBonus

we.eu > all : (

(last year) #2 Dectilon

I think PGS is actually a far better place for him than 4k was. He has more competition there for starting spots. He did well against Grubby in ZOTAC in the finals, but his weakness seem to be doing quick decisions. He could've probably won the game on TM for example if he had decided better when to attack and when to back off. Suprise and Terror!

(last year) #3 GenoZStriker

HE is slowly starting to become better but his decisions he takes in the game that cost him the game. HE has always been good other have just been better then him. You see that during his lost he always take 1 game (BO3) or 2 (BO5) no matter the way you see it but then Winning that final deciding game is where he always fall. I personally think it's lack of practice or micro I do not know. But right now new doors have opened for him and hopefully we see some improvement in him Demigod ESL 2v2 Opening Cup - http://www.esl.eu/eu/demigod/

(last year) #4 The1Crow

It would be interesting to hear how much he practises a day and how much time he really spends on and with the game. Good article! Some ppl come into our lives and quickly go. Some stay ever!

(last year) #5 Asmonok

His micro is lacking some but you can see it improving constantly. The only thing I see holding him back is good old fashioned experience. Before I always viewed him as just another above average player, but I think he has what it takes to become a true professional player. He just isnt getting there as fast as some people. Look at Creo for instance he was just an above average player with potential. Then with his time with 4k and playing vs the best of the best around the world he exploded to become a top 5 NE player. I think we just need to give liildc more time to blossom at his own pace.

(last year) #8 KPicyF

tbh, Creo was on the verge of his big break-through when he left fnatic and joined 4K, I very much doubt it was that much dependant on his joining the kings. however, liildc didnt really get there, and without some major improvement he never will. i think the pressure of stepping into creo's shoes really got to liildc and that is why he never was able to perform as expected of him under the 4k tag. How do you do, my name is Trouble.

(last year) #6 SirZ

#5 dun think lildc will ever accomplish wut creo did

(last year) #7 iamRA

#6 +1 but.. who knows gl liildc -My might cannot be matched-

(last year) #9 Vello

he have the pressure of being another CREO ..

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(last year) #16 wNv\|VBadGirl

thats like saying eve has the pressure to be moon >.>;;.. it's not gonna work for you. Hold the S cause i'm an AINT.

(last year) #10 GenoZStriker

It's exactly the thing. We are comparing him to Creo, while it's not what we should do. Many said he was going to be the next Creo for 4K which he never happened. It's exactly what fury also said he's tired of having to live up to players like TOd, Grubby and Creo and constantly being compared to them.

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(last year) #11 Asmonok

Your right that we shouldnt be comparing them, but I also understand its hard not to when 4Kings carried so much respect and hype with the name. When you see the name 4Kings you associate it with dominance and top 5 so its natural to expect every member to be top notch. I do agree with you though that we shouldnt be doing that. Every player is different and unique in there own way. Instead of an article focus around the negative aspects of his career so far we should be reinforcing possitive points. Confidence goes a long way in any competitive career.

(last year) #12 Wind

BrahminKing has reinforced my point, but this article was also written to generate more discussions around him as a player, since we all know that 4Kings acquired him due to a lack of funds. But as I wrote in the article, his time in 4Kings has only served to highlight his limitations as a player since he has showed little to no progress at all. Sure, a lot of other facets can come into discussion as well, like prioritizing school over gaming but this article is focused on his career. As I wrote in the first paragraph, 4Kings is like a double-edged sword. The reason he is being compared to Creo is quite obviously because LiiLD.C served as a replacement for him.

(last year) #43 drifting

yes. its not exactly fair to the player. God loves stupid people. That's why he made so many.

(last year) #13 GKoOCassandra

As you all know, 4Kings never recruit any players who are already top-notched.
All the players that 4Kings recruit are young talents, whom they believe could be nurtured into great players. LiiLD.C wasn't an exception. 4Kings saw the potential in him, and wanted to give him a year's time to grow and blossom.

When Grubby first join 4K.wc3, he lost his first couple of matches. But 4Kings believed in him, but he went on to be the best wc3l player all times months later. When FuRy/LaWn first joined as a 2v2 team, they lost their first 6 matches or so. After that, they went on to be nearly undefeated or undefeated for two seasons.

You can say that Creo blossomed quickly, evidence which by now seems easy to support considering he won BlizzCon, WCG, etc. He did have a starlike performance very shortly after joining 4K, but people forgot about that quickly. He had 95% winrate in fnatic, winning nearly everything 2/0, and in 4K suddenly he had less than 50% wins, or as people were saying "was losing everything". Due to his hard work and the continued faith 4K put in Creo, he was able to overcome the pressure and close scrutiny to indeed blossom into a very consistent top player.

Sometimes players need fruition time, and D.C. didn't get enough time. Given the time, who knows what will happen?

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(last year) #14 Wind

You forgot ToD and FoV who were pretty dominant back in those days ;) LiiLD.C was with the team for close to 6 months, whether it is sufficient time for one to blossom will always remain subjective. But compared to his peers whilst in 4K, it was more than enough time.

(last year) #15 RhoNeX

I'm missing the part which states that Creo played 24/7 as he finished school and took a year off.

(last year) #17 GKoOCassandra

Wind, i understand that you would like to use 6 month's time to judge LiiLD.C's improvement. But how much time is needed given the circumstances was judged by 4Kings.

Maybe you don't understand the circumstances, but i'll at least let you know the story. At least you will understand why 4Kings give LiiLD.C one year to improve (and not judge him after 6 months).

Story of 4Kings and LiiLD.C
When 4Kings hire LiiLD.C, 4Kings knew he is still schooling, thus he will not be able to play full-time. LiiLD.C said that he will be schooling till around April 2008, which after, he might want to take a year off from school to go full-time. So under the circumstances, 4Kings gave him 1 year's time to improve, and only expect the improvements to come after April 2008. 4Kings disbanded in January 2008. At this point, LiiLD.C is still a full-time student.

We all know that it's very hard to study full-time and at the same time be a top-notch player.

LiiLD.C's performance in 4Kings was consistent and good enough, and shouldn't be criticized so strongly and shouldn't be measured on the same stick as a full-time professional.

Maybe it's more constructive to write about a full-time player who don't meet up to a team's expectation. It's really no point pin-pointing at someone who is juggling between full-time studies and playing Warcraft III.

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(last year) #20 Wind

I know LiiLD.C is studying full time, and I really respect him putting education ahead of his pro-gaming career. In fact, I am totally aware that some may also argue that LiiLD.C and Creo were on different levels prior to joining 4Kings. This is again, something that will always remain inconclusive.

What we can conclude though, is that despite the player himself has claimed to have improved (Note: No personal attack here), statistics and results have proven otherwise. And that is what this article is based on.

(last year) #34 r4id3n-

LiilD.C probably has improved. The reason his statistics does not look any better is probably because he plays against people who improve themselves everyday too. In fact I don't doubt that he grew over those 6 month in Four Kings but he didn't grew as fast as some might have expected. But I still think he does great for fulltime studying and playing after that. Honestly it would have been interesting to see how his growth would have been when he finished school and took a year off to play fulltime in Four Kings but well thats only wish thinking now. Concerning the ariticle I don't like it very much. Comparing Creo with LiilD.C and the reasoning for his results just make it more superficial to me. Hence a quite disappointing read.

(last year) #18 Mantraa

Wow Cassandra, way to put it out there. You know, it's because of people like you that slowly the scene seems to start gaining a sense or two. I'm really getting sick and tired of MYM crew bashing on people, at least I know there are a few people with responsibility to do their job without bias. I talked to LiilD.C today and I've recently started to begin getting acquainted with him. He's a really nice guy, but to be honest NOBODY should hurt his effort in trying to reach the top. Same thing with Rinoa, talked to her, and she's getting her ass bashed as well. Then it comes even worse with Go)Reprisal. I've seen scumbag messages about these really mannered, and polite people and it's really disturbing. Thanks for clearing everything up Cassandra, hopefully, LiilD.C will grow ever stronger, and show the people doubting that he has what it takes, and that school and fulltime studies are disturbing his effort. As a student my self, I know how complicated it is, and for him to have come this far is amazing. Greets guys! And please, stop diminishing the reps of people who work hard!

(last year) #21 Wind

Quoting Mantraa:

I'm really getting sick and tired of MYM crew bashing on people

You have obviously took this piece from the wrong direction. I meant to bring up more discussions, and not bashing players. When was the last time the MYM crew bashed someone through an article anyway? ;)

There are always articles being written about EVERY player having massive amount of talent that has yet to be nurtured given the time. That however, is just a mere fallacy to promote players.

Last edited by Wind at 10.02.2008, 13:41

(last year) #23 zEro_gamerpk

MYM and it's staff should concentrate on winning tonight's WC3L match with PGS 4:0 something, before coming up with articles that compare players of other clans.

All clans have players that take time to gain pace with those who are better than them. LiiLD.C cannot be expected to come up with godlike performances from day 1. Not only is it unfair to LiiLD.C it is unfair to ToD and Creo too. Creo, being the world-champ ofc, says a lot.

And yes, aT-ToD was almost a nobody when he joined 4K and even 1 year after. No disrespect to him, but took his time and had to over come other issues too. Same with LiiLD.C, and yes bad management is not a player's headache. Keep that in mind :)

Last edited by zEro_gamerpk at 10.02.2008, 13:42

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(last year) #25 Wind

1) This article has nothing to do with MYM's performance in the WC3L. 2) Nobody expected LiiLD.C to be godlike from day 1. I didn't mention it anyway. 3) ToD was one of the best human players that Europe had to offer even during his time in aT. Don't forget that he was also part of SK for a short spell

(last year) #28 Phil

The staff have nothing to do with winning a WC3L-match. But of course I will advice Mercy to appoint Wind as Team Manager and YinYang as his assistant... No wait, they are editorial staff and do editorial work. Among other things, they analyze the players and teams in WC3L.

Last edited by Phil at 10.02.2008, 18:00

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(last year) #29 zEro_gamerpk

The timing of the article was ironic though.

Neutrality in writing will get you more appreciation. I agree, it won't be fair to put the load of your WC3 team's performances. (A)

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(last year) #30 Phil

Actually the release of the article is random. Wind has been working on it for a couple of weeks, so it has actually nothing to do with the PGS-match. Even though the thought is quite fun; that is taking mental war to a whole new level in eSport :p.

The article is actually quite objective. I don't see Wind having anything against LiiLD.C, and as far as I have been informed, he tried to get Daniel to contribute to the article (although I can understand his reasons for denying it).

This article is not different than BSL questioning SK's capabilities (CS) or SK writing about the lack of victories for our WC-team.

*Edit* I can see where you are coming from though, but I can assure you that both Wind and I are objective as far as concerning our editorial focus.

Last edited by Phil at 10.02.2008, 19:44

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(last year) #40 zEro_gamerpk

+ I am no SK fan. http://blog.gamerpk.com/

(last year) #24 zEro_gamerpk

Double posted, sorry, freaking mis-click :P Delete this one. Last edited by zEro_gamerpk at 10.02.2008, 13:44 http://blog.gamerpk.com/

(last year) #19 wufan

Quoting Wind: You forgot ToD and FoV who were pretty dominant back in those days ;) LiiLD.C was with the team for close to 6 months, whether it is sufficient time for one to blossom will always remain subjective. But compared to his peers whilst in 4K, it was more than enough time. 6 months are nothing, WE gave Infi more than 1 year,:)

(last year) #22 GravitasDav1oN

Well I LiiLD.C will show all his best soon,dunno why,but I think that It'll happen

(last year) #26 NeverGG

imho liild.c improved much since his time in fnatic Better light a candle than curse the darkness!

(last year) #27 kittensandmilk

ahh yes, i get it now. the article is saying usa > all... agreed! Quoting zEro_gamerpk: MYM and it's staff should concentrate on winning tonight's WC3L match with PGS 4:0 something, before coming up with articles that compare players of other clans. All clans have players that take time to gain pace with those who are better than them. LiiLD.C cannot be expected to come up with godlike performances from day 1. Not only is it unfair to LiiLD.C it is unfair to ToD and Creo too. Creo, being the world-champ ofc, says a lot. And yes, aT-ToD was almost a nobody when he joined 4K and even 1 year after. No disrespect to him, but took his time and had to over come other issues too. Same with LiiLD.C, and yes bad management is not a player's headache. Keep that in mind :) since when does mym.news crew play in wc3l? Last edited by kittensandmilk at 10.02.2008, 17:57

(last year) #31 GG-Uchainer90

Thats how u destroyed 4kings. Fucking mymcrew, who has nothing to do but making players down! Why not writing sth about lucifer, who lost to fov and before that he lost nearly everything? Why u don't write about that? (I like lucifer and his style of gaming, don't get me wrong here) So plz mym stop making people FROM OTHER CLANS down ... just my opinion...

(last year) #32 gasolin

Wow, what a retarded article.

(last year) #33 johnstockton

I'd like to thank wind for making me register to MyM.com just comment on this article. This is the worst piece of crap I ever read. Don't write an article EVER again.

(last year) #35 losemann

I always thought that LiildC is a nice gamer, and I will keep thinking that, plus that he is always shown good manner to me. I think that LiiLDC is really talented and when I watched the games in the zotac cup, they were nicely played, so lets see about his WC3L record in this season. Good luck LiiLDC [www.losemann.asia] - my blog

(last year) #36 Oljieha

liildc loses vs total nonames xD

(last year) #37 manhunter321

wait and watch

you will know and recognise me after somtime

(last year) #49 drifting

thats an almost philosophical statement, and i have to agree with it! God loves stupid people. That's why he made so many.

(last year) #38 Dknight

Why were the comments deactivated? One of them actually had a valid point: he registered because the article was complete trash, which I believe is true as well.

(last year) #39 GG-Uchainer90

"This comment has been deactivated by the admin crew due to its content."
critic is hard stuff, right?

(last year) #41 Wind

I'm always open to constructive criticisms, not useless flames coming from people whose heads got stuck up in their asses ;)

(last year) #42 drifting

"With a disappointing WC3L record of 3 losses out of 5 games played for 4Kings, compared to 5 losses out of 11 games for WE.EU, one can easily glean that the Night elf player has been showing little to no sign of progress since his arrival at 4Kings."

thats pure bs. not enough samples there to base a judgement like the one mentioned here on these statistics. there are simply too many factors deciding games on that level of play, that it is impossible to attack the player because of it. maybe, when you have about 100games or so, you can start drawing a line. but not earlier. also, 2-3 is no bad result IMO.

seeing that the whole article is solely based on these few results, i have to say that it is nothing less than BILD level opinion making gossip.

Last edited by drifting at 11.02.2008, 17:15

God loves stupid people. That's why he made so many.

(last year) #44 Wind

WC3L isn't held over a week, and improvement isn't harboured over several days. This article was about him having showed any sign of progress since he joined 4Kings, and is in no way conveying that he is a bad player.

(last year) #47 drifting

timespan has very little to do with it. the result of a game still depends on a lot more factors than just the "skill" of a player. and even if it was not your intention, this article still does no good to LiiLD.C's reputation. and as if this alone wasnt enough already, the whole judgement is on top of that based on a very narrow sample of only a handful of games. even with these game samples taken over a wider timespan, it is still only 5 games. 5 games to judge a player the way you are doing here IS opinion making gossip. im not saying anything about your intentions here. just stating the impression people will inevitably get while reading this article. Last edited by drifting at 11.02.2008, 22:43 God loves stupid people. That's why he made so many.

(last year) #45 johnstockton

Quoting Wind:

I'm always open to constructive criticisms, not useless flames coming from people whose heads got stuck up in their asses ;)

I'm offended by this post. I think it should be removed. Very unprofessional.

(last year) #48 Wind

It's clear that you do not understand my intentions of writing this piece so I will refrain myself from bickering with people like you.

(last year) #46 GG-Uchainer90

#45 WORD!

(last year) #50 SkyBakica

Guys what with Zeus? Still playing*?

(last year) #51 Wind

Yes he is

(last year) #52 Meitre

xD

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