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04th July 2007, 21:50

roskii's column- Whats wrong with SK?

roskii's column

DEAR READER - PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS ARTICLE IS A HOSTED PIECE AND THEREFORE THE CONTENT DOES NOT REFLECT THE VIEWS AND OR OPINIONS OF MYM IN ANY WAY. ALL CONTENTS AND VIEWS ARE THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE AUTHOR.

As an editor I am seeing news and scandals in esports nearly every week. Mostly it is about smaller organisations not paying prize money, amateur teams breaking up or coming back, but never was a professional team in so many scandals and issues at once lately as SK-Gaming. This made me curious, which is why I have done some research and gathered information that was accesible to me and which I am about to present in my first personal column hosted on the MYM website.

In the past few weeks, SK-Gaming has been in a number of incidents concerning their Counter-Strike team and their Russian Warcraft III player Deadman. These 'conflicts' have not brought the greatest publicity to the team, and many fans have demanded a change in management in the SK organization. For those of you who don't know about these incidents, I will look at three of them.

SK @ WSVG Louisville

SK-Check-SixThis all started at the WSVG Louisville event where SK were up against the American team of Check-Six. The map was de_train and check6 was leading with 5-3, when everything went downhill as a random server restart took place. This lead to both parties trying to work out where they would begin the match from once again.

x6 stated that SK had no money to buy weapons as they were on a save round, SK however denied this and after much debate, the decision was overruled and SK received a large amount of money to buy. The match went on, and SK came out with the victory with a score of 16-12. The American players were deeply disappointed as after checking demos, SK had supposedly lied about their money situation, and thus in a general sense, most likely changed the outcome of the match in their favour.

SK Gaming went onto place 2nd in the event in which the pride and reputation of the top American teams who were able to get to the event were eliminated.

SK @ WC3L Finals

DeadmanThe second incident concerns the Russian Warcraft III player Deadman. Now this story has different explanations from both parties, and in the end we cannot know the full and exact details, but we can draw a picture from this truly remarkable conflict.

It all began with Deadman lightning up a cigarette in a car while the team manager ownitsch did not approve of this. This lead to a boxing match between these two people, and after much conflict, Deadman was told to go home, and not to represent his team at the WC3L finals.

The real problem comes in as Deadman has been told that he will remain under his SK contract, but will not be able to participate in any events until it ends. He has also been kicked from the Starwars IV competition, and thus having a detrimental affect on his career.

Many people have said that the real problem is SK's Warcraft III manager, ownitsch. They believe his actions, and his personal feelings towards Deadman took over in which he has made the wrong decisions. Overall, ownitsch might of saved his team from a potentially much bigger situation, and we can thank him for that, but in the end, this could have gone any way and the real facts are still unknown.

A conclusion to this matter could also come down to which manager is the best on the social front for SK. Their inactive manager Enrique could have been more approachable to the situation, as he was the person who got Deadman into SK in the first place - knowing about the troubles that come with handling him - and could of taken Deadman's actions in a less serious manner, enabling the team to avoid such problems. This conflict is part Deadman's fault, part ownitsch, and was just not handled correctly.

The main lesson to be learned from this would be that a manager is not a manager just like that. It is crucial that the players are looked after. Avoiding this incident would have saved SK one of the biggest scandals in their Warcraft 3 history, and might have saved them from ending up last in the WC3L Finals.

The last point I can think of is that before the WC3L Finals, a series of interviews were conducted with the SK Players. This includes one of Deadman, who mentioned that he is indeed a huge DotA fan and would like to get involved in the game. While the other players were rather pessimistic about getting the championship, I saw a highly motivated Deadman who was eager to take the first place with his team, and who was also very excited about playing DotA with his mates. Could this of also been a reason for his actions that lead to this conflict? We can only wonder.

SK @ Dreamhack Summer 2007

goseyIn the final incident, we look at a blog done by the SK representative gosey, who has been known to be a tad arrogant, and has now taken it to another level. The blog however was removed from the SK frontpage under the HOT Blogs section, where after receiving countless views and over 400 comments, the heat seemed to be far too much. TheSLasH and bds tried to back up gosey's claims, but it seems their efforts were not enough for the onslaught of disapproving comments.

The blog concerns the recent Swedish ESWC qualifiers where fnatic and Begrip qualified, but NiP and SK-Gaming did not. This however did not phase NiP as they have received an invite to the event as two teams have cancelled their trips. Now, SK|gosey has fought this decision as he believes his teams performance this year should be enough to let them receive the invite rather than NiP.

If we look at the situation with one blind eye, we can see that NiP and EvilZone placed a respective 3-4th at the qualifiers, while SK placed 5th-6th. This clearly states that either NiP or EvilZone should be picked, and not SK. The ESWC commitee based this decision on pure rules, and it must be respected. He however believes his teams group stage was much harder than NiP's, and also his teams performance this year, are good enough reasons to receive an ESWC berth. In the end, this is the ESWC competition, not a competition that includes every other tournament as its partners.

Some bold statements were also made by gosey such as "Well, as you can see, there is nothing logic nor fair in inviting NiP to ESWC instead of SK." and "Everyone also knows that SK can't afford missing ESWC and ESWC can't afford missing SK." These words represent a person who believes his team is holier than thou, but we all know that this is the year 2007, not 2003. The level of Counter-Strike has risen over the years, and the competition is fierce. This must also be respected as the former titans of the game are now mere rivals with these rising teams.

In the end, SK-Gaming is probably the most iconic and well-known gaming organization out there. But with these incidents, and bold words, how can the fans and spectators of these respective games believe in their 'heroes' if such things happen. This is truly a case of arrogance and jealousy as people believe that their past can be used to manipulate the present, but in our world today, this is not the way. Just accept defeat and move on with life.

It is the 10th year of SK-Gaming, and it seems to me that their teams aren't focusing enough on the results, but rather on the headlines.

 

 
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(last year)  #1 Xenior
 
nice read.
(last year)  #2 puNNi
puNNi
Very nice read.
More than SEXY !
(last year)  #3 orci
orci
gosey is the man for the demos, nothing more, nothing less.
never let him write blogs again!
(last year)  #4 Malystryx
Malystryx
"It is the 10th year of SK-Gaming, and it seems to me that their teams aren't focusing enough on the results, but rather on the headlines."

or perhaps the public is concentrating too much on the headlines while SK are trying to concentrate on results.

Lawrence "SK.Malystryx" Phillips ~ SK Gaming
(last year)  #5 LINKAGE
LINKAGE
People are concentrating in the headlines because there are no result to focus in, just random shots :|
www.fraglider.pt
(last year)  #6 RESTINPEE
RESTINPEE
well it's entertaining though
Last edited by RESTINPEE at 05.07.2007, 01:25
(last year)  #7 treach
treach
Nice read indeed. Well written, interesting facts.
Can you feel it?
(last year)  #8 Shubbs
Shubbs
Sad but True =/
(last year)  #9 Brotsalat
 
nothing new, just some random facts i dont think u answered the question ...
(last year)  #10 its_kin
its_kin
Good write up indeed ^_^

Its nice to see all the info condensed into one article. I do agree SK has been a little shady lately but no offense to SK ther CS team has always been a little premadona.

I dont like what SK.cs did at WSVG at all they basically took away x6's spot at ESWC by lying about there money(which I think they did)
(last year)  #11 Pclloh
Pclloh
#9 and what do you want to be answered?
Um idiota inglês , é bem menos idiota que nós.
(last year)  #12 TX.sHacabau
sHacabau
"how can the fans and spectators of these respective games believe in their 'heroes' if such things happen"

we'll manage

a couple more personal points of view like this one on mym's main page and u managed to persuade me tho.

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(last year)  #13 Shubbs
Shubbs
Aaaa and roskii forgot the GoodFella incident
(last year)  #14 andsmile
andsmile
nice read bro!
(last year)  #15 _evan
_evan
Really nice to present hearsay and personal blogs as facts. Really professional.

"The American players were deeply disappointed as after checking demos, SK had supposedly lied about their money situation, and thus in a general sense, most likely changed the outcome of the match in their favour."

"SK Gaming went onto place 2nd in the event in which the pride and reputation of the top American teams who were able to get to the event were eliminated."

I think this is what the loser bracket system was invented for. I think just about every team out there, would have taken advantage of the situation. Just because it was SK it warrants news ? You really do make it sound like SK cheated the entire American community, which at best is laughable!
(last year)  #16 Metro-
Metro-
Nice way of dealing with the competition MYM.
(last year)  #17 virp
 
nice read ;)
(last year)  #18 winrruner
winrruner
very nice!
(last year)  #19 MYM|Mercy
Mercy
Quoting Metro-:

Nice way of dealing with the competition MYM.


What part of "hosted article" didn't you understand? If I have to listen to any more of your bs, of which you write a lot, then you will find your account suspended and ip banned from the site, now grow up please.

Knowing my destiny - Is accepting your defeat...
(last year)  #20 SoLe
 
#4 has a valid point. It is people like you, whom focus all the attention towards the negativity within SK and ignore other great results made by SK. You provide a catalyst for people to further hate SK by writing this.

Need an example? Taking out the most controversial comments made by gosey but ignore the other valid points. I'm sure you've heard of taking things out of context and wow, as a writer you're perfect at that.

This piece is clearly biased against SK, for whatever reason, I do not know but as this is "your column", I'll excuse that this is merely your place to express your undying hatred against SK. The same goes with gosey's blog, it is HIS thoughts, he does not represent SK as a whole, like your "column" suggests. He believes SK should be invited and hey, who can blame him but let's not forget it's a BLOG, not a statement made by SK as a whole.

Let's take a closer look at the events shall we? The only reason the Deadman/ownsnitch situation was blown out of proportion to it is today, is because Deadman (unprofessionally) went ahead and made a thread/interview saying "ownsnitch is a retard", creating the ever so immature cliche we all hear now. Had Deadman acted more professionally (in my opinion), this could have been avoided but yet you're too ignorant and blame it on SK instead of Deadman.

"It is the 10th year of SK-Gaming, and it seems to me that their teams aren't focusing enough on the results, but rather on the headlines." - Another ridiculous statement, as you're contradicting yourself through your hypocritical "column" focusing on the headlines, not the results.
(last year)  #21 robih
robih
this article was .. well useless

you didnt go into any detail what really is wrong with SK you just stated those 3 incidents
(last year)  #22 roskii
roskii
Thanks for the constructive criticism from everyone who did, and those who did not, please do in the future =)

#20 We live in a world today where every small mishap, wherever it may be, gets analyzed, criticised and systematically reviewed to each and every detail. This however hardly gets done in eSports as people fear their reputation might get tarnished. I however want to shed light on the situation, and let people know of the incidents that have happened over the last few weeks. I do not want people to hate SK, I just want them to see what is TRUE.

Now the thing with gosey. It gave me a small chuckle when you said I should take out the good points of his blog. Well... there weren't any. If we look at it directly, and I did in the article, there is absolutely no reason SK should of gotten the spot than NiP. This is based on pure facts. Done deal. Nothing more to talk about.

We will never know the exact details of what happened with deadman/ownitsch, this is why this is a PERSONAL COLUMN, showing MY opinions, based on relative facts, to bring together a reason for the conflict.

And finally, I am a journalist, it is my goal to focus on the headlines, extract, develop, and formulate a story for the readers. This is what I did as headlines are my focal point, while the results are a totally separate area.

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If you have any thoughts on your mind, share it with us. I want to see as many people giving their insight into the situation. Thanks everyone
Last edited by roskii at 05.07.2007, 12:35

crafted from the souls of gods.
(last year)  #23 _evan
_evan
Quoting roskii:

Thanks for the constructive criticism from everyone who did, and those who did not, please do in the future =)

#20 We live in a world today where every small mishap, wherever it may be, gets analyzed, criticised and systematically reviewed to each and every detail. This however hardly gets done in eSports as people fear their reputation might get tarnished. I however want to shed light on the situation, and let people know of the incidents that have happened over the last few weeks. I do not want people to hate SK, I just want them to see what is TRUE.

Now the thing with gosey. It gave me a small chuckle when you said I should take out the good points of his blog. Well... there weren't any. If we look at it directly, and I did in the article, there is absolutely no reason SK should of gotten the spot than NiP. This is based on pure facts. Done deal. Nothing more to talk about.

We will never know the exact details of what happened with deadman/ownitsch, this is why this is a PERSONAL COLUMN, showing MY opinions, based on relative facts, to bring together a reason for the conflict.

And finally, I am a journalist, it is my goal to focus on the headlines, extract, develop, and formulate a story for the readers. This is what I did as headlines are my focal point, while the results are a totally separate area.

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If you have any thoughts on your mind, share it with us. I want to see as many people giving their insight into the situation. Thanks everyone


"We live in a world today where every small mishap, wherever it may be, gets analyzed, criticised and systematically reviewed to each and every detail."

"I just want them to see what is TRUE."

I'm still waiting on the other side of the argument. To me it seems pretty one-sided and as journalist your inclined to have a certain degree of credibility. People already knew about the events, so don't be so coy. You were adding oil to the fire, and you knew it.
Last edited by _evan at 05.07.2007, 15:09
(last year)  #24 SoLe
 
So just because the world does it, you must do it too? Being sheep's will only go so far, being creative and writing about something worth writing for will go far.

If you really want to know what is true, this should be named "what has happened with SK", not what is WRONG with SK. The truth is found by getting the stories of both sides of the incident and/or any other relevant third party witnesses, not some column condemning SK for their actions will not. By writing in this anti-SK/disdained manner, you CAN'T deny this is not creating hatred for SK. What do you expect, for someone to come and read this, thinking "oh wow, good article, must be 3rd person so SK must be pretty good!"?

All you've done in this "column", is gather the facts from the incident and added a negative feel to it. As I said, you have the right to as it is your column but I'm arguing over the validity of it. The only thing I could decipher from this column is that you hate SK, what about some insight that the general public won't know?

Well if the results are a complete separate manner, why include it? Don't make such bold statements about SK focusing on the headlines, when politically you know that isn't correct. Some logical analysis will find out that, SK as a whole don't search or desire to be on headlines but due to a representative of the organization; gosey on his BLOG, Deadman opening his thread and some hardware/server fault, causes so much negative publicity to their brand.
(last year)  #25 Metro-
Metro-
"If you really want to know what is true, this should be named "what has happened with SK", not what is WRONG with SK." I have to agree to this part.
(last year)  #26 Culater
Culater
nice read well done roskii
Culater ~~
(last year)  #27 fnatic.devine
devine
I agree with everything you've just said Steve and don't worry about the worthless SK fanboys a.ka. SoLe and their newest "addition" to the crew _evan.
Fnatic Team Lead Journalist
(last year)  #28 its_kin
its_kin
Now you can add SK-ladies to the article ... they were REALLY unprofessional in there first ESWC match against a-gaming.
(last year)  #29 LINKAGE
LINKAGE
It was a blog, this is a column, both are author's personal opinions expressed through a text. You are both just being pathetic lol.

Why didn't gosey posted that blog in a free blog hosting website? Why didn't roskii posted this column there too? Exposure.

And don't mind to answer me with a long, well care and written text, cute language and highskilled words, i will not bother to read it.

www.fraglider.pt
(last year)  #30 Madchild
Madchild
Quoting SoLe:


Need an example? Taking out the most controversial comments made by gosey but ignore the other valid points.


Can you give me an example? There is no valid point in his argumentation.
I really respect gosey but in this blog hes talking bs.

Quoting _evan:

Really nice to present hearsay and personal blogs as facts. Really professional.


Hearsay? The statements of x6 and other people that were present at this tourney are not hearsay.
And gosey's important position in SK also gives importance to his opinion.

"The American players were deeply disappointed as after checking demos, SK had supposedly lied about their money situation, and thus in a general sense, most likely changed the outcome of the match in their favour."

"SK Gaming went onto place 2nd in the event in which the pride and reputation of the top American teams who were able to get to the event were eliminated."

I think this is what the loser bracket system was invented for. I think just about every team out there, would have taken advantage of the situation. Just because it was SK it warrants news ? You really do make it sound like SK cheated the entire American community, which at best is laughable!


Yeah, lb was invented to justify cheating. And this action was nothing less.
And no, most teams would not take this chance, cuz there is something like fairplay.
This argument is such a slim excuse.


I personally really respect SK and for many years it was my favourite clan but actions like this and some other like the striker story makes me feel sad about such a great organisation.
(last year)  #31 RESTINPEE
RESTINPEE
Quoting _evan:

"We live in a world today where every small mishap, wherever it may be, gets analyzed, criticised and systematically reviewed to each and every detail."

I'm still waiting on the other side of the argument. To me it seems pretty one-sided and as journalist your inclined to have a certain degree of credibility. People already knew about the events, so don't be so coy. You were adding oil to the fire, and you knew it.


you know that there are more writing styles than that and more different kinds of journalism ?
What do most journalists do in their comments? They MENTION arguments against their opinion and then crush it with facts or whatever.
Amen
(last year)  #32 _evan
_evan
#24

"Yeah, listing facts is really biased :o"

Where are these facts you speak of ?

x6 Incident

"x6 stated that SK had no money to buy weapons as they were on a save round, SK however denied this and after much debate, the decision was overruled and SK received a large amount of money to buy"

"The American players were deeply disappointed as after checking demos, SK had supposedly lied about their money situation, and thus in a general sense, most likely changed the outcome of the match in their favour."

Where are the quotes from players, or the official ruling ?

"SK Gaming went onto place 2nd in the event in which the pride and reputation of the top American teams who were able to get to the event were eliminated."

Let me get this straight, despite being 2 point ahead. x6 still manage to lose, and drop into the loserbracket. Despite SK having to play all but one of the European teams more than once, they are solely still to blame for the Ame