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13th February 2008, 18:30

KingSurf banned for maphacking

Sennheiser Communications

Please note: This issue has been resolved, and KS has been unbanned and whitelisted again. For further information see the news : http://www.mymym.com/en/news/12321.html 

Sad and disturbing at the same time, we are faced with the difficult mission to announce such an ugly thing to the dota community.

After days of analyzing and debates, we came to the shocking conclusion that Malaysia Kingsurf used map hack in their game against Greece 1P in the Playoff preliminaries of the 9th MYM Prime Defending. First the Greek players discovered two moments when their enemies clicked on heroes while being in fog. We took the replay and analysed it on all sides, we came across another map hack prove.

We will now state the facts:

In minute 33:23 Malaysia Ks-papaxiong (Atropos) clicks the enemy warlock while he's hidden in the fog after a 5 vs 4 battle lost by Ks.

Warlock enters fog (he wasnt clicked before)


Warlock is in fog


Ks-papaxiong clicks on Warlock while he is in fog


In minute 40:11 Malaysia Ks-MiKeBz (Mirana) clicks enemy spectre at the secret shop to see what item he buys.

Spectre enteres fog (not clicked)


Spectre is in fog


Ks-MiKeBz clicks on Spectre while he is in fog

Min 44:35 Malaysia Ks-MiKeBz (Mirana) clicks enemy hero Venomancer while in fog.

Venomancer entered fog (not clicked)


Ks-MiKeBz clicks on Venomancer while he is in fog


We came across many suspicious actions of Malaysia Ks in this game, which were to us enough proof that they have indeed used a map hack. An example is Mirana´s action around minute 54, arrowing Spectre in the forest (hero hidden there, and after almost a minute out of enemy vision).

You can download the Malaysia Kingsurf vs Greece 1P match replay:
here

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(10 months ago)  #1224 FraNx-
 
Quoting yu6562181:

Quoting FraNx-:

Quoting yu6562181: I dare mym admin to post a "VP banned for hacking" on the main page
for the same offence that they click an enemy hero under fog in VP vs RoSA

rules are rules and VP is no exception

does mym crews take serious on this "quote"??


WTF? when did I wrote that? Can you tell me the #????
This is a sample of how you can manipulate things through options, like photoshops from greek madman


opps, i didnt notice that, this might happen becuz of the lagness and delay that my area line not stable.

the same thing happen to Ks versus 1P, there is minor delay for Ks to join a game from western.
(10 months ago)  #1225 TAHi2u
Hi2u
meee...



NOOOT xDD
just dont blame ks and ban 1P...
(10 months ago)  #1226 iryutmd
 
This comment has been deactivated by the admin crew due to its content.
(10 months ago)  #1228 xChen
 
The outcome of MyM admins is no longer important because the damaged is done and the scar will remain. An apology wont bring things back to normal. Yet a sad day in DoTa history. Maybe maturity does matter when handling these problem. Clearly, in Dota community the admins are just too young to manage such issue. A sad day but nonetheless it actually portrays the level of maturity the gaming community has. =)
(10 months ago)  #1230 hebe_tian
 
@1228 agree, "the damaged is done and the scar will remain"..

let's jsut sing MYM anthem..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbAX9A8Cq0k


Vigoss arrow just like hell, he surely MH
MYm always know when they opponent ROshing, surely MH

I'm sure kaka and Messi used steroid.. i have screen shot from their match..there is no way human can jug a ball like that, they also like having eyes on their back.. so absolutely steroid.. i already consult it with my proffesional doping examiner friend..
(10 months ago)  #1231 FraNx-
 
this issue not only affect Ks reputation, but also MYM's.

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I dare mym admin to post a "VP banned for hacking" on the main page
for the same offence that they click an enemy hero under fog in VP vs RoSA

rules are rules and VP is no exception
(10 months ago)  #1232 PMSRinoa
Rinoa
(10 months ago)  #1233 heecha
 
One thing for sure, we'll never forget this valentine day ever
Maybe this will set up a new story of valentine days:
A day when the fans give all their love to protect their team
How is it?
Last edited by heecha at 14.02.2008, 17:06
(10 months ago)  #1234 REAL_HANS2
 
for me its very funny how ks is accused for mh
1) if you go net cafe you cant mh
2) if you go mh @ home you can it easy make undetectable (all played even from pub level can do that)
3) i just laugh at the mym expertz who are evaluating this for days
best comment ever ist from admin who thinks there is no delay (in replay LOL LOL LOL)

all i saw is clicking heroes which go into fog and was clicked right before (very new feature i know)

on 40:11 i saw no selection on spectre when he was shopping
on 40:06 spec was visible so same select while visible

in div league i give shit about mh accuses as mostly 90% are wrong and the other 10% cant be proved

i can only say LOL @ 1P more LOL LOL @MYM
(10 months ago)  #1235 MaZuI
MaZuI
I think KS would've suffered much , but I believe they will drop it . Maphack is a serious offence , that's why MYM admin pounced on the issue before the Pride #9 continues .

It is true that they might have acted too hastily , but there were no prior known bugs of such known before they came to the conclusions .. Please guys, the Admins made a mistake which I believe they would've apologised @ a later time .

Who doesn't make mistakes ? Do you find yourselves arousing suspicion of your opponent MHing before? ( In a game ) I do. And I came to conclusions faster than a person in the right mind would .

For those who were flaming 1P , please ... give them some respect . Stop joining in the flamming bandwagon . If you'd read from the interviews , they ( 1P clanmates ) thought they caught KS mh-ing due to the red circles bug existing in the current version which is previously not known .. They don't post on forums but instead , made actually the most rationale move to approach the MYM admins . I do agree they are not as competent as KS ( as present ) in competition , that does not make them a ****** clan ( Losing to the likes of KS is not a disgrace . )

For the people who screamed ' racism ' , I don't get it . The accusation brought on was that they were suspected of MH ( Which I weren't convinced :D ) You will make yourself look foolish by continuing pursueing the matter .



IF I'm the MYM crew - Make an apology to the community, and , above all , to KS . IF I'm the KS member - I would let things settle down ( How would we react if we suspected the opponent MH'ed [ This is a bug not known before ] . )For us , sideliners? We should wait patiently for the proper verdict they we know would come :) Cool down , It's over . It's pending.
(10 months ago)  #1236 FraNx-
 
for those 'anti-Ks' association, plz take attention to the below link that Naz(Official Dota-Allstars Forum Admin) has written for his statements.

http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=204187
(10 months ago)  #1237 heecha
 
One thing for sure, we'll never forget this valentine day ever
Maybe this will set up a new means of valentine days:
A day when the fans give all their love to protect their team
How is it?-lol XD
(10 months ago)  #1238 MFucker
MFucker
go ks go ks go!!!! luv ya!!!
(10 months ago)  #1239 Byakuya-_-
Byakuya-_-
Many comments ;>
No money in my pocket and a mind full of hate!
(10 months ago)  #1240 SsSconkiecupu
 
ehmm... have you guys thought that mirana maybe alt tabbed or something? when in spectre screen shot, and mirana was dead, so he might alt tabbed that makes the lag. Im not sure about this just try to help... Hehehe...
(10 months ago)  #1241 yu6562181
 
FYI, this isn't a bug from warcraft...
Actually, if you play RTS games & watch the replays often, its really common to see clicking the unit out of sight, even more with delay..
example of the games? try it yourself, age of empire series (I & II & their expansions), Red alert II, Rise of Nations, and etc... so saying red circle on fog would be stupid, unless you cast a chain frost on your opponent hidden on the forest for like 2 mins.. ( direct hero spells...)
zzz... sometimes common sense is not too common
(10 months ago)  #1242 PKDGloRyforGreeCe
GloRyforGreeCe
well i dont think that number 3 in mym pride would need to cheat to win a team like 1p seriously...ks innocent... admins do something
(10 months ago)  #1243 DmkBassAgents
DmkBassAgents
u r free ks ^^ wellcome back ks
(10 months ago)  #1244 yu6562181
 
1P GG back you ;)
(10 months ago)  #1245 xthiaN_
xthiaN_
Well the positive side is that there are so many players of dota
d^-^P
(10 months ago)  #1247 SaCRe)Kaka-
 
1200+ comments in less than 24 FFS -_-
(10 months ago)  #1248 imported_cychia
 
yeah a 1000+ post is really work!!!
thanks to all the supporters..^^
(10 months ago)  #1250 hyhyhyhy
 
http://www.gg-game.com/forum/viewthread.php?
tid=105860&extra=page%3D1


Refer and see the facking KS hackers. Watch the facking replay. We zenith have tolerated enough of the KS hackings.

Also, to speak up on the issue where we lost to VIP, yes the host was laggy and we should have been granted a replay, I also want to apologize on my pal tofuboi's "eat my dick fackers".

KS GG BACK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
(10 months ago)  #1255 HeBEbe
 
tis guys here could be a retarded running amok~~ someone stop tis doggie bark~~~~
why open a new account wif such retarded nick "hyhyhy" to spamming here??
u tot everyone else in tis website same retarded as u to believe u from zenith??
(10 months ago)  #1262 fir3f0x
 
Now Ks had been cleared from maphack issue, "eat my dick fackers".
(10 months ago)  #1251 P22neinspiratul
 
sad news :(
hardcore flamer np.
(10 months ago)  #1253 m0m0-
 
Is this hyhyhyhy really from the Zenith team? If yes, he is just making Zenith looks even ugly.
(10 months ago)  #1254 alexanderOM
 
#1250 Zenith crazy fan ????
(10 months ago)  #1256 MyLuvDestiny
 
1P gg back you !!!!!
(10 months ago)  #1257 HeBEbe
 
hey~ wer the heck are anti-Kser now?? KS fanboys already woke up and fight^^
wer are u guys~~ come and argue somemore wif the world xD
i tot early comment u all guys so fucking arrogant accusing KS and thinking KS fanboys are pushover??
(10 months ago)  #1258 sG.trech
trech
This comment has been deactivated by the admin crew due to its content.
(10 months ago)  #1260 OnT-Davros
 
Quoting S1rro:

thats exactly the point!
the clicked heroes were already in fog
when Ks players clicked them


This is a normal replay bug with Warcraft 3, happens even in ladder games when they click themselves.

-MrQuincy
(10 months ago)  #1261 vieestchien
 
Admins should edit/remove this topic, or at least link to the apology at the end of the topic. It's just a courtesy to do so.
Not that I think they would do though, like they care.
(10 months ago)  #1263 vieestchien
 
Oh they did. Not bad.