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18th November 2008, 19:00

The End Of WarCraft 3 teams?


The end of WarCraft 3 teams

 

WarCraft 3 has crept its way towards its peak in terms of popularity over the last few years, golden age began to shine and not even sky was the limit; players became stars, events offered higher and higher prize pools, the community became so large even the Chinese would say "w00t, that's many people", fans began to rise like a tidal wave, pushing motivation of teams such as MYM or SK to greater limits - or is it actually pushing likes of Grubby, Moon and Lyn to surpass themselves in each new tournament? Are you really interested in the teams or the players? And what's even more important is: are sponsors interested to support a single superstar who has the potential to win a couple of highly remunerated tournaments or a team with many average players which seldom wins anything - and if they win as a team, will the prize money be that low, such that not much is left for their employer? Winning a team league is not about money, but prestige!

To get an answer to these questions, let's start with a quick expedition (something like Columbus did back in the old days, with only difference being we'll be cruising around on the waves of this article...and we probably won't find a new continent anywhere around):

So let's begin our journey with China, a country where that new drug called "gaming" is not blamed to have a negative influence on their youth generation. A friend from Beijing just told me a few days ago: "WarCraft 3 is like so common here. I would venture a guess that in my office during lunch, at least 20 games of WarCraft 3 are going on!"

The general issue about RTS games

Well, that was a short trip to China, now let's move outside Asia and take a look at Europe where we have two major problems at the moment: Firstly, the RTS community lacks, compared to the FPS community, a strong and large fan base. Games like Counter-Strike always have much more fans - a quick note, fans are people that shed tears when their idols lose and throw bras on the stage when they win. While it might be flattering for the young Casanovas out there to receive women's underwear, it isn't the key reason as to why fans are good. Bottom and the most fruitful line is that more and more people are interested in buying the gear and mousepads their idols used to enhance their performance. Would companies like SteelSeries or Razer be able to become what they are and invest those huge amounts of money in eSports without FPS games? I wouldn't be so sure about that!

Before we continue - back to the bras thing, there is no filmed evidence of fans throwing such items so that was just a bold assumption, female rights protection groups if you wish to shoot me for that I can be your hostage and you'll be my terrorist but please don't take it to your hearts. Back to the topic, I wouldn't say that RTS is not an interesting genre for the sponsors, but if you are able to attract a possible audience of let's just say, 100 000 people on Steam that play Counter-Strike 1.6 at the same time and 'only' 40 000 people that play WarCraft 3 at the same time on Battle.net, the teams of which game would you choose to sponsor?

The situation in WarCraft 3

Some people like to play with guns, others prefer playing with heroes, so let's turn our minds back to WarCraft 3: Yes, we are in the year 2008 and things have changed in WarCraft 3. Where are all the European events? Where are all the new young talents? Where are the crowded Battle.net and Garena rooms? Where are all the fans that buy merchandise? Not that everything has gone bad, but as a matter of fact, less people play the game if you compare the Battle.net stats from this year and the last year. Fewer pages do WarCraft 3 coverage, fewer players get interviewed and less WarCraft 3 related news are written. Players like Rotterdam, and even ToD lately, started to do shoutcasts since they noticed this is a new way, which also happens to generate a healthy income, where they can make use of their outstanding knowledge of the game.

No NGL, no WC3L, no teams

More or less proven rumors confirmed that the NGL still owes a couple of teams thousands of Euros and can you remember for how long have we already waited to cheer at the NGL One Finals? Most likely we will never do that again! The NGL issue brings us to the other big team league: WC3L. For years this event was carried by the teams that participated in it, the teams that covered travel expenses for their protagonists to fly around the world and fight under their banners, or tags more precisely.

I hope you won't mind me slipping in here just one example: If SK or MYM had to fly their Koreans to Germany for the WC3L finals, the money spent for each flight would be about 700 Euro. 5 players x 700 would make it 3500 Euro. Add the salaries of the players, add the percentage of the prize money that players keep to themselves (around 80%) and then take a look at the actual prize money that is,

Rotterdam the shoutcaster

even for a first place, far less than 10,000 Euro. So, is there any sense for a team to play and attend such events if they lose more money than they make out of it? After all, eSports is business and it is all about the money!

One example wasn't good enough for you? Well it wasn't good enough for my fingers, either so I'll type you another one: Look at srs, the Rotterdam's team , just a few days ago they have announced their departure from all of the team events. It is quite likely a matter of time until they will release the whole team and keep only one or two key players.

Shouldn't we learn from Asian events, especially those from Korea that have been preaching us for years that events which feature individuals are the future, that those are the ones that attract viewers and sponsors? Wouldn't it make more sense for all those big teams to disband their whole team and stick with one or two players? Let them win all those "star player vs star player" events, and organizations like SK, MYM, mouz, mTw and Co. would be much happier.


The teams make the teamleagues

Team, or no team?

"I carry passion in what I do, and I can't stand to lose more fans. I have higher expectations, and with them comes a great responsibility towards winning," the biggest eSports idol ever, Boxer said this once. Not sure but he could probably say Spiderman's uncle (it was his uncle, right?) ripped off his line when he said "With great power comes a great responsibility." When you hear such words from the star players you realise they have this hard motivation, they are driven by their fans to sometimes go even beyond necessary to accomplish victories - though it is hard to have a team with five players that are all highly motivated in the same way. Furthermore, you won't ever find a team that consists of stars. You cannot make money with players as a brand if they all lack of that superstar status.

And yes, as what Korea has taught us, we need stars - they are the future of eSports! Tournaments which feature individuals attract more interest, especially in Asia, as they are the future of WarCraft 3; team leagues are dead. The question for organizations to have a team with two or more players will no longer need to be answered, it will soon be a fact that there is no reason to have large teams anymore.

Final question: Isn't it in overall a positive development that team competitions get less and less promoted? One vs one tournaments have all the excitement, they have all the tension, the action and yes, they have the stars (those shiny yellow dots you see in the sky at night, but during daylight they fall down and turn into progamers - there, another mistery solved - where do the stars go when dark is gone)!

 

 
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(last month)  #1 GenoZStriker
GenoZStriker
I am not going to lie and do not mean to offend anyone, but the whole invite-only tournament and the same players getting invited to the same tournament over and over leaving only 2 spots for qualified players is also discouraging to continue playing the game and having WC3 players. So what happens then, all the organizations are going to want to have only Grubby's, Moon's and Sky's and will pretty much not care about other young rising talents. Since they will most likely not get invited to any tournament while the others will just get invited because of their name.

Some players put in a lot of effort to qualify for an event to find out that the player he eliminate got invited just like that. Also single elimination and BO1 qualifiers are also not very good in my opinion. A player can drop just like that because the map doesn't favor his race but the other. The limited amount of qualifying slots also sucks a lot.

As for team leagues. I think that only the first and second team should have a spot in the leagues and the rest have to qualify again because then you only limit the amount of spots for 4 teams out of all the teams who try to qualify. Who says that Team Suxx can't eliminate nGize, MYM or GG from a qualification. I do not think anyone has the right to assume that until it actually happens.
Last edited by GenoZStriker at 18.11.2008, 19:23

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(last month)  #2 sendohz
 
lol well written both of you
(last month)  #3 4KFXythical
 
yes, Warcraft 3 is getting old, not? :-)
(last month)  #4 Ks.intAZEN
AZEN
DOTA>WC3
(last month)  #6 Elven_Star
Elven_Star
Best joke of 2008 [x]
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo
(last month)  #11 4KFmatthe88
matthe88
People loose interest in Wc3 and more people get interested into DotA.... hm... Where is actually the joke?

And it becomes to be boooring to see the same strats every game a wc3 player plays...

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(last month)  #13 Elven_Star
Elven_Star
DotA is _always_ boring to watch. No matter what strat is being used. And people are dragged to it just because it's easy to master, unlike WC3.
Sponsors are more willing to support a game with more audience i.e. WC3 as it's not boring to watch....

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(last month)  #28 SirZ
SirZ
Actually I was a warcraft3 player, went to dota for a while becasuse warcraft was to hard. Now Dota is boring as solitare and I prefer warrcraft.
(last month)  #50 Alisha
Alisha
lol you are a joke... seriously this is just ridiculous, how can you just put something on the table without knowing sh.

you don't even know how complex dota is, and talking that its easy to master unlike wc3? do you seriously think cs is easy to master too? just because you don't know the insight of the game and just see them running and shooting around?

oh please... dota is so complex you can't even explain it with few sentences. There are mass and mass strategies and tactics the same as with wc3, and now you will tell me, that dota has just 1 hero and what can be so hard with it? to control one hero? since wc3 has units and that needs a lot of micro yeah right.. and oh yeah dont forget the macro in wc3 and this and that.. oh cmon its the same with dota..

you know how many heroes there are? how many items? and itembuilds? strategies and tactics? each and every single hero has its own 4 skills, which always vary depends on what strategy you are going for, you need to skill them differently, each and every single hero needs its own itembuild and item combination out of xxx items, each hero needs its own playstyle (you cannot play rambo with every hero) support, gank, farm etc.

and this isn't all, every single hero is individually and needs to be adjusted to the others hero in the team, since there are 5players means 5 heroes, so there are xxx hero combinations, you just can't put just 5 strong heroes together, that won't work. and then again those 5 heroes needs to fit into the strategy and tactic the team is going for.. and sooo on. its not just about killing opponents hero.

then there is also -xl mode, where teams have to ban heroes out of the heropool and picking the left ones which again have to fit to the strategy. every team is trying to ban the heroes which for example they can't play against or to prevent that the oppo. team is going for a strategy which counters theirs. you need to know a lot about the game, the heroes, the items, the strategies etc. to even know how you should ban a single hero from the pool. and then there is the picking phase, where again a team is of course to try to pick the heroes which suits their strategy since you cannot just mix 5 heroes together. but then they have to pick so it isn't to obvious what they are going for else the oppo team can just outpick them... and so on.. i mean i'm not even a player and its already this complex.

this whole complexity attracts people, because there are soooo many ways to play just one single hero. and there are always new strategies and tactics, since for every single one being made/developed you have to think of a new counter one and so on. and everything varies from map version to map version.

I mean more and more multigaming teams/organisations are picking up dota and supporting it, more and more leagues and tournaments are growing with a serious pool of prizemoney.. and of course it needs time, you think everything can happen overnight? dota has already evolved so much and it is still growing and growing.

you think wc3/cs or whatsoever became big overnight? of course not. and stop blaming everything on the gamelenght and not spectator friendly etc. i agree that the gamelenght is definitely too long, but that doesn't mean that it is always boring to watch.

but maybe you should just find everything out yourself, cause its a shame how you talk about something you dont have a clue.

it's just about time until people notice and see the potential in dota.
(last month)  #55 Elven_Star
Elven_Star
WOW! how complex......not!
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(last month)  #57 Alisha
Alisha
pathetic to be so ignorant at your age :/
(last month)  #64 Elven_Star
Elven_Star
That marks the end of your reasoning ----> starting to talk like that
Last edited by Elven_Star at 19.11.2008, 18:24

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(last month)  #65 NFlag
NFlag
Dota is much more complex then warcraft 3 and if you don't believe this you dodn't know much about dota. I don't want to say that WC3 is not complex but in Dota there are so many ways to play and so many things what can happen etc.
Last edited by NFlag at 19.11.2008, 22:05
(last month)  #99 imported_ixion
imported_ixion
Hahahaha i can't believe ur so stupid.
(last month)  #111 mOnGoOsE_zA
mOnGoOsE_zA
Please stop trolling... Because your first sentence is probably the most ignorant one i've read in a while.
(last month)  #73 4KFmatthe88
matthe88
<3 awesome
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(last month)  #103 OMFG_ITS_ROHIT
 
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(last month)  #106 Alisha
Alisha
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(last month)  #107 OMFG_ITS_ROHIT
 
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(last month)  #108 Alisha
Alisha
nopw starting with mum jokes, poor you. feeling so sorry for you qq
(last month)  #85 shostakovich
 
DotA is the ultimate RTS game. Wait and see.
(last month)  #5 Dendra
Dendra
wc3 progaming scene is kinda on level of amateur sc scene, with higher prizes though

for example sc progaming scene is based on both teams and stars, sadly sc outside korea cannot reach progaming level, not because of sponsors but because of pure skill difference.

saying cs is more interesting to the sponsors over rts titles might be true in euro/usa, but dont be mislead by it and think cs is "the cream of esports", it is a tiny rock on the huge mountain called korean sc scene, motherland of progaming.

with sc2 being released it should offer a noob friendly game, easy to learn and get good in fast for the majority of world's population so just like in wc3 we could see more balance there between koreans and non-koreans, that is the key problem of sc for example, two communities separated for eternity due to a huge gap in skill.

future of wc3 basically lies in sc2, once it gets balanced enough it will be the end of wc3, reasons are numerous and they lie in game mechanics, etc. WC3 is already losing players to dota and other games, progamers dont have the balls to switch to sc so they're rather waiting for sc2 to find new challenges, all in all the wc3 ship is sinking as it has nothing new to offer, game has been exploited and as #1 said - it gets boring seeing same names over and over again.

grubby&moon and co. are fun and everything but wc3 needs fresh blood, rotation at the top, etc., this way things are getting boring (in sc for example every year has several rotations, not many players manage to stay in top10 for a year, god forbid top3, new names always come and conquer everyone with yet again new style, unless the game offers endless freedom to a strategist it turns out into a nothing more but a mere mind game of using same strategies and same micro festivals)

If force won't work, use greater force.
(last month)  #7 MYM|Maelk
Maelk
DotA is the answer to a lot of the questions and points made in the article.

Sadly, most tournaments have a hard time spotting the possibilities of the game.

no re
(last month)  #9 The1Crow
The1Crow
The biggest issue I see about DotA is the length of the games and that it doesn't bring enough action in form of entertainment for the viewers (as long as you don't shoutcast hehe)
Some ppl come into our lives and quickly go. Some stay ever!
(last month)  #10 4KFmatthe88
matthe88
But this also depends on the DotA-Version you play... Atm it seems to be on the right way to top many other famous games...
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(last month)  #12 MYM|losemann
losemann
if a dota match would take around 20 mins then it would be great. who wants to watch 50-70 mins for one match?

There are a lot of dota fans, but I am not.
we will see abou the team situation.

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(last month)  #15 Elven_Star
Elven_Star
+1
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(last month)  #29 SirZ
SirZ
FPS>>>>>>DOTA
FPS>>>WAR3

simple
(last month)  #14 GenoZStriker
GenoZStriker
The newest versions themselves are more action packed but regardless still last 1 hour.
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(last month)  #17 GenoZStriker
GenoZStriker
LOL not a direct solution to WC3 but ok.

"Sadly, most tournaments have a hard time spotting the possibilities of the game. "

Hehehehe so true. WCG thinks GH3,NFS,Halo3,VF5 > Dota. :/ in time it will come. Dota is on the good road atm.

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(last month)  #41 Publiplz
 
No, it isn't...DotA is another game!

(Well not even that. It's just a custom map. Another gametype anyway)
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