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How to Play - HU vs ORC (MK and Gryphon riders)
myMYM.com's Strategy Columnist Galvin "Gosubay" Bay presents you his first article from the "How to Play" series. First up would be a guide for the Human vs Orc match-up, where Gosubay explores the intricacies of having the Mountain King as your first hero.
| Orcs have found a solid counter to the Archmage + Beastmaster strategy. |
First of all, I would like to discuss the evolution of human strategy vs orcs in the past two years. Sky's push with ivory towers seemed to work against every single orc back in 2005 and 2006 but orcs have found a solid counter to the Archmage + Beastmaster strategy since last year.
That strategy is only strong at the start of tier 2 due to its ability to overwhelm the orc with slow and summons. However, if the orc is able to defend the rush, the human will probably end up losing due to orc's strength in late game. The Blademaster increases in strength exponentially as he levels up (due to higher level critical strike added with increase damage and attack speed) and the Tauren Chieftain is also way stronger at higher levels with his devastating shockwave.
These days, a modern human player will pick the Mountain King second as opposed to the Beastmaster as the MK is a better late game hero. However, I believe that orcs are still stronger in late game if all other factors are similar (hero levels, army size, items). Thus, Sky and Infi came up with this wonderful variation of the old mass gryphon strategy.
Why gryphons? One may ask. The truth is that there
| There is no true counter to gryphons besides bats. |
is no true counter to gryphons besides bats and the orc really has to outmass the human in numbers before he stands a chance at winning. Note that this strategy is only good in maps that are easy to expand such as Echo Isle and Terenas Stand. These 2 maps are also ideal because there are mercenary camps which can boost your army considerably at the start of day 2.
In this article, I will be explaining Infi's decisions in this match between WE.Infi and mTw.Who
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(3 months ago)
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ShamRock 
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this is good step towards better gaming
**SUPPORT** ;) In this world of sin i hope to surrender to the holy bliss.
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(3 months ago)
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Dragonite
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it wasnt sky and infi.
it was th000, then sky followed on. I am the BN Chicken bitch :(
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(3 months ago)
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vsrooks
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Does it really matter, who really wants to have to claim this strat? I would be embarrassed personally.
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cimo
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i am sorry, but i strongly dissagree with the "only bats counter"
do you know how many bats you need to use to kill one gryph with 3 armor upgrades, scroll of prot and inner fire? (i dont count the aura of pala) i think its about 5 or 6 .. little sick isnt it? one and only counter, what counts are wyverns and orc heroes with orbs (mb shadow hunters serpent wards) and ofc hit and run strategy so massing bats is really bad, you cant do much dmg to your oponent ground units and vs air its suicidal unit as well, its just 160(?) gold and some woods throwed into air + 325 hp is nice joke too, 3 hits from WE and bat is down, one bolt and bat is down .. really no but 3 or 4 bats arent bad at all :) (for some gyro and so) | |
(3 months ago)
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ag3nt
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wyverns with poison >>>> gryphons -____-
so not only bats can kill them Last edited by ag3nt at 26.06.2008, 19:23
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(3 months ago)
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Mobixx
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IS there any replay that shows skys ivory tower rush i need it badly :P plz send a li
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Quoting ag3nt: i guess wyverns could win a battle against gryphons however the human can easily train a few dragonhawks (note that he will have 3 gryphon aviaries) or he might even opt for flying machines with flak cannons | |
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Ha Ha MYM]storm often use this strategy but is not complete.We can look his demo Storm Vs Zacard this strategy is old strategy.Need inner fire and armour for Gryphon upgrade.ToD use this strategy in China WEG season 4 semifinals Vs Grubby in Terenes stand.In this game Grubby control 70% to win but ToD complete upgrade Gryphon is great.
My idea:I use this strategy in Echo isles and i buy Illution item in middle item shop and clone Gryphon and 1st attack illusion Gryphon in this time enemy Orc batrider can fight illusion. 2.u upgrade sorcharess and invisible all Gryphon really and don't use illusion Gryphon | |
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Last edited by BaKsuZ at 27.06.2008, 23:37
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Meitre
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But listen now we have new patche peasents repair faster buildings so tower rushes should better for human pla
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(3 months ago)
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JeremyX
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in my opinion troll berserkers in combination with docs, spiritwalkers, some 2 kodos and 2 raiders are as well a good counter against griffs + mk + pal.
bats are really risky. 'Cause humans have staff of sanctuary, huge armor and can easily save a lot of gryphons if they tp at the right time. Then game is almost over, if they rego soon again. Unfortunately i haven't seen my proposed tactic for a long time. Every orc counters with bats and if he feels in advantage he switches wyvs and maybe starts teching master shams. I really ask why. Troll berserks are really hard to counter without Blizzard. | |
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Chillieh
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Bats only good for Gyro's matey..
you can either tech out Berserkers or Wind Riders and they be good enough to rape gryph's.. ofc you take bm + orb :) | |
(3 months ago)
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_Choco_
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the main problem i have when playing against orc is to survive the t2 phase when the orc can push hard and takes the mapcontrol.
if you have mass gryphons it isn't that difficult because you can take out bats with the storm bolt or simply kill the opponents army by hit and run | |
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